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From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
Cc: mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	minchan Kim <minchan-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.orgMinchan Kim
	<minchan-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: MADV_DONTNEED semantics? Was: [RFC PATCH] mm: madvise: Ignore repeated MADV_DONTNEED hints
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 17:25:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54D0F664.3070606@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150203152121.GC8914-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>

On 02/03/2015 04:21 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 03-02-15 11:16:00, Mel Gorman wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 03, 2015 at 09:19:15AM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> [...]
>>> And if we agree that there is indeed no guarantee, what's the actual semantic
>>> difference from MADV_FREE? I guess none? So there's only a possible perfomance
>>> difference?
>>>
>>
>> Timing. MADV_DONTNEED if it has an effect is immediate, is a heavier
>> operations and RSS is reduced. MADV_FREE only has an impact in the future
>> if there is memory pressure.
> 
> JFTR. the man page for MADV_FREE has been proposed already
> (https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/12/5/63 should be the last version AFAIR). I
> do not see it in the man-pages git tree but the patch was not in time
> for 3.19 so I guess it will only appear in 3.20.
> 

Yikes! That patch was buried in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet
in a disused lavatory. I unfortunately don't read every thread that comes
my way, especially if it doesn't look like a man-pages patch (i.e., falls
in the middle of an LKML thread that starts on another topic, and doesn't 
see linux-man@). I'll respond to that patch soon. (There are some problems
that mean I could not accept it, AFAICT.)

Thanks,

Michael

-- 
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/

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From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: mtk.manpages@gmail.com, minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.orgMinchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-man@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: MADV_DONTNEED semantics? Was: [RFC PATCH] mm: madvise: Ignore repeated MADV_DONTNEED hints
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 17:25:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54D0F664.3070606@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150203152121.GC8914@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On 02/03/2015 04:21 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 03-02-15 11:16:00, Mel Gorman wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 03, 2015 at 09:19:15AM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> [...]
>>> And if we agree that there is indeed no guarantee, what's the actual semantic
>>> difference from MADV_FREE? I guess none? So there's only a possible perfomance
>>> difference?
>>>
>>
>> Timing. MADV_DONTNEED if it has an effect is immediate, is a heavier
>> operations and RSS is reduced. MADV_FREE only has an impact in the future
>> if there is memory pressure.
> 
> JFTR. the man page for MADV_FREE has been proposed already
> (https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/12/5/63 should be the last version AFAIR). I
> do not see it in the man-pages git tree but the patch was not in time
> for 3.19 so I guess it will only appear in 3.20.
> 

Yikes! That patch was buried in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet
in a disused lavatory. I unfortunately don't read every thread that comes
my way, especially if it doesn't look like a man-pages patch (i.e., falls
in the middle of an LKML thread that starts on another topic, and doesn't 
see linux-man@). I'll respond to that patch soon. (There are some problems
that mean I could not accept it, AFAICT.)

Thanks,

Michael

-- 
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/

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From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>
Cc: mtk.manpages@gmail.com, minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-man@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: MADV_DONTNEED semantics? Was: [RFC PATCH] mm: madvise: Ignore repeated MADV_DONTNEED hints
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2015 17:25:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54D0F664.3070606@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150203152121.GC8914@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On 02/03/2015 04:21 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 03-02-15 11:16:00, Mel Gorman wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 03, 2015 at 09:19:15AM +0100, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> [...]
>>> And if we agree that there is indeed no guarantee, what's the actual semantic
>>> difference from MADV_FREE? I guess none? So there's only a possible perfomance
>>> difference?
>>>
>>
>> Timing. MADV_DONTNEED if it has an effect is immediate, is a heavier
>> operations and RSS is reduced. MADV_FREE only has an impact in the future
>> if there is memory pressure.
> 
> JFTR. the man page for MADV_FREE has been proposed already
> (https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/12/5/63 should be the last version AFAIR). I
> do not see it in the man-pages git tree but the patch was not in time
> for 3.19 so I guess it will only appear in 3.20.
> 

Yikes! That patch was buried in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet
in a disused lavatory. I unfortunately don't read every thread that comes
my way, especially if it doesn't look like a man-pages patch (i.e., falls
in the middle of an LKML thread that starts on another topic, and doesn't 
see linux-man@). I'll respond to that patch soon. (There are some problems
that mean I could not accept it, AFAICT.)

Thanks,

Michael

-- 
Michael Kerrisk
Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/
Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-02-03 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-02-02 16:55 [RFC PATCH] mm: madvise: Ignore repeated MADV_DONTNEED hints Mel Gorman
2015-02-02 16:55 ` Mel Gorman
2015-02-02 22:05 ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-02 22:05   ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-02 22:18   ` Mel Gorman
2015-02-02 22:18     ` Mel Gorman
2015-02-02 22:35     ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-02 22:35       ` Andrew Morton
2015-02-03  0:26       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-02-03  0:26         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2015-02-03 10:50       ` Mel Gorman
2015-02-03 10:50         ` Mel Gorman
2015-02-05 21:44     ` Rik van Riel
2015-02-05 21:44       ` Rik van Riel
2015-02-02 22:22 ` Dave Hansen
2015-02-02 22:22   ` Dave Hansen
2015-02-03  8:19   ` MADV_DONTNEED semantics? Was: " Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-03  8:19     ` Vlastimil Babka
     [not found]     ` <54D08483.40209-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-03 10:53       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-02-03 10:53         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-02-03 10:53         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-02-03 11:42         ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-03 11:42           ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-03 16:20           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-02-03 16:20             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]             ` <54D0F56A.9050003-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-04 13:46               ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-04 13:46                 ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-04 13:46                 ` Vlastimil Babka
     [not found]                 ` <54D22298.3040504-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-04 14:00                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-02-04 14:00                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-02-04 14:00                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-02-04 17:02                     ` Vlastimil Babka
2015-02-04 17:02                       ` Vlastimil Babka
     [not found]                       ` <54D2508A.9030804-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-04 19:24                         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-02-04 19:24                           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-02-04 19:24                           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-02-05  1:07                           ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-05  1:07                             ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-05  1:07                             ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-06 15:41                             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-02-06 15:41                               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-02-06 15:41                               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                               ` <54D4E098.8050004-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-09  6:46                                 ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-09  6:46                                   ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-09  6:46                                   ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-09  9:13                                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-02-09  9:13                                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-02-05 15:41                           ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-05 15:41                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-05 15:41                             ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-06 15:57                             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-02-06 15:57                               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-02-06 15:57                               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                               ` <54D4E47E.4020509-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-06 20:45                                 ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-06 20:45                                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-06 20:45                                   ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-09  6:50                                 ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-09  6:50                                   ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-09  6:50                                   ` Minchan Kim
     [not found]           ` <54D0B43D.8000209-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-04  0:09             ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-04  0:09               ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-04  0:09               ` Minchan Kim
2015-02-03 11:16     ` Mel Gorman
2015-02-03 11:16       ` Mel Gorman
     [not found]       ` <20150203111600.GR2395-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-03 15:21         ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-03 15:21           ` Michal Hocko
2015-02-03 15:21           ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]           ` <20150203152121.GC8914-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2015-02-03 16:25             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) [this message]
2015-02-03 16:25               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-02-03 16:25               ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-02-03  9:47   ` Mel Gorman
2015-02-03  9:47     ` Mel Gorman
2015-02-03 10:47     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-02-03 10:47       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-02-03 11:21       ` Mel Gorman
2015-02-03 11:21         ` Mel Gorman

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