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From: Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net>
To: Boris Brezillon <boris.brezillon@free-electrons.com>
Cc: Timo Kokkonen <timo.kokkonen@offcode.fi>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-watchdog@vger.kernel.org, nicolas.ferre@atmel.com,
	alexandre.belloni@free-electrons.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] at91sam9_wdt: Allow watchdog to reset device at early boot
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:50:44 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54E4A6C4.4070706@roeck-us.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150218151713.7a718311@bbrezillon>

On 02/18/2015 06:17 AM, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> Hi Guenter,
>
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:59:01 -0800
> Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net> wrote:
>
>> On 02/18/2015 04:57 AM, Timo Kokkonen wrote:
>>> By default the driver will start a kernel timer which keeps on kicking
>>> the watchdog HW until user space has opened the watchdog
>>> device. Usually this is desirable as the watchdog HW is running by
>>> default and the user space may not have any watchdog daemon running at
>>> all.
>>>
>>> However, on production systems it may be mandatory that also early
>>> crashes and lockups will lead to a watchdog reset, even if they happen
>>> before the user space has opened the watchdog device.
>>>
>>> To resolve the issue, add a new device tree property
>>> "early-timeout-sec" which will let the kernel timer to ping the
>>> watchdog HW only as long as the specified timeout permits. The default
>>> is still to use kernel timer, but more strict behavior can be enabled
>>> via the device tree property.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Timo Kokkonen <timo.kokkonen@offcode.fi>
>>> ---
>>>    Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/watchdog.txt | 7 +++++++
>>>    drivers/watchdog/at91sam9_wdt.c                         | 9 ++++++++-
>>>    2 files changed, 15 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/watchdog.txt b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/watchdog.txt
>>> index 7e3686c..32647cf 100644
>>> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/watchdog.txt
>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/watchdog.txt
>>> @@ -4,9 +4,16 @@ using these definitions.
>>>
>>>    Optional properties:
>>>    - timeout-sec: Contains the watchdog timeout in seconds.
>>> +- early-timeout-sec: If present, specifies a timeout value in seconds
>>> +  that the driver keeps on ticking the watchdog HW on behalf of user
>>> +  space. Once this timeout expires watchdog is left to expire in
>>> +  timeout-sec seconds. If this propery is set to zero, watchdog is
>>> +  started (or left running) so that a reset occurs in timeout-sec
>>> +  since the watchdog was started.
>>>
>>>    Example:
>>>
>>>    watchdog {
>>>    	 timeout-sec = <60>;
>>> +	 early-timeout-sec = <120>;
>>
>> That is not a generic property as you defined it; if so,
>> it would have to be implemented in the watchdog core code,
>> not in the at91 code. You'll have to document it in the bindings
>> description for at91sam9_wdt.
>
> Then, if this is a controller specific property, it should be defined
> with the 'atmel,' prefix.
> We're kind of looping here: the initial discussion was "is there a need
> for this property to be a generic one ?", and now you're saying no,
> while you previously left the door opened.
>
> Tomi is proposing a generic approach, as you asked him to. I agree that
> parsing the property in core code and making its value part of the
> generic watchdog struct makes sense (that's what I proposed to Tomi a
> few weeks ago).
>
Hmm ... the problem here is that the property description creates the
assumption or expectation that the property is used if defined,
which is not the case.

I am not sure how to best resolve this. Maybe a comment in the property
description stating that implementation of is device (driver) dependent ?
After all, that is true for the timeout-sec property as well.

Thanks,
Guenter


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: linux@roeck-us.net (Guenter Roeck)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 2/2] at91sam9_wdt: Allow watchdog to reset device at early boot
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 06:50:44 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <54E4A6C4.4070706@roeck-us.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150218151713.7a718311@bbrezillon>

On 02/18/2015 06:17 AM, Boris Brezillon wrote:
> Hi Guenter,
>
> On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:59:01 -0800
> Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net> wrote:
>
>> On 02/18/2015 04:57 AM, Timo Kokkonen wrote:
>>> By default the driver will start a kernel timer which keeps on kicking
>>> the watchdog HW until user space has opened the watchdog
>>> device. Usually this is desirable as the watchdog HW is running by
>>> default and the user space may not have any watchdog daemon running at
>>> all.
>>>
>>> However, on production systems it may be mandatory that also early
>>> crashes and lockups will lead to a watchdog reset, even if they happen
>>> before the user space has opened the watchdog device.
>>>
>>> To resolve the issue, add a new device tree property
>>> "early-timeout-sec" which will let the kernel timer to ping the
>>> watchdog HW only as long as the specified timeout permits. The default
>>> is still to use kernel timer, but more strict behavior can be enabled
>>> via the device tree property.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Timo Kokkonen <timo.kokkonen@offcode.fi>
>>> ---
>>>    Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/watchdog.txt | 7 +++++++
>>>    drivers/watchdog/at91sam9_wdt.c                         | 9 ++++++++-
>>>    2 files changed, 15 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/watchdog.txt b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/watchdog.txt
>>> index 7e3686c..32647cf 100644
>>> --- a/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/watchdog.txt
>>> +++ b/Documentation/devicetree/bindings/watchdog/watchdog.txt
>>> @@ -4,9 +4,16 @@ using these definitions.
>>>
>>>    Optional properties:
>>>    - timeout-sec: Contains the watchdog timeout in seconds.
>>> +- early-timeout-sec: If present, specifies a timeout value in seconds
>>> +  that the driver keeps on ticking the watchdog HW on behalf of user
>>> +  space. Once this timeout expires watchdog is left to expire in
>>> +  timeout-sec seconds. If this propery is set to zero, watchdog is
>>> +  started (or left running) so that a reset occurs in timeout-sec
>>> +  since the watchdog was started.
>>>
>>>    Example:
>>>
>>>    watchdog {
>>>    	 timeout-sec = <60>;
>>> +	 early-timeout-sec = <120>;
>>
>> That is not a generic property as you defined it; if so,
>> it would have to be implemented in the watchdog core code,
>> not in the at91 code. You'll have to document it in the bindings
>> description for at91sam9_wdt.
>
> Then, if this is a controller specific property, it should be defined
> with the 'atmel,' prefix.
> We're kind of looping here: the initial discussion was "is there a need
> for this property to be a generic one ?", and now you're saying no,
> while you previously left the door opened.
>
> Tomi is proposing a generic approach, as you asked him to. I agree that
> parsing the property in core code and making its value part of the
> generic watchdog struct makes sense (that's what I proposed to Tomi a
> few weeks ago).
>
Hmm ... the problem here is that the property description creates the
assumption or expectation that the property is used if defined,
which is not the case.

I am not sure how to best resolve this. Maybe a comment in the property
description stating that implementation of is device (driver) dependent ?
After all, that is true for the timeout-sec property as well.

Thanks,
Guenter

  reply	other threads:[~2015-02-18 14:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-23 10:40 [PATCH] at91sam9_wdt: Allow watchdog to reset device at early boot Timo Kokkonen
2014-10-23 10:40 ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-11-12  8:20 ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-11-12  8:20   ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-11-13  9:12   ` Nicolas Ferre
2014-11-13  9:12     ` Nicolas Ferre
2014-11-14  8:40     ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-11-14  8:40       ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-11-21 12:23       ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-11-21 12:23         ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-11-27  6:53         ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-11-27  6:53           ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-11-27  9:22           ` Nicolas Ferre
2014-11-27  9:22             ` Nicolas Ferre
2014-11-27 17:23             ` Guenter Roeck
2014-11-27 17:23               ` Guenter Roeck
2014-11-27 19:06               ` Boris Brezillon
2014-11-27 19:06                 ` Boris Brezillon
2014-11-27 19:31                 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-11-27 19:31                   ` Guenter Roeck
2014-11-28  0:30                   ` Alexandre Belloni
2014-11-28  0:30                     ` Alexandre Belloni
2014-11-28  6:40                   ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-11-28  6:40                     ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-11-27 19:00         ` Boris Brezillon
2014-11-27 19:00           ` Boris Brezillon
2014-11-28  6:42           ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-11-28  6:42             ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-12-05 12:57           ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-12-05 12:57             ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-12-05 14:12             ` Boris Brezillon
2014-12-05 14:12               ` Boris Brezillon
2014-12-05 18:42               ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-12-05 18:42                 ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-12-05 19:02                 ` Guenter Roeck
2014-12-05 19:02                   ` Guenter Roeck
2014-12-05 20:32                   ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-12-05 20:32                     ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-12-05 21:39                     ` Guenter Roeck
2014-12-05 21:39                       ` Guenter Roeck
2014-12-06 10:11                       ` Timo Kokkonen
2014-12-06 10:11                         ` Timo Kokkonen
2015-01-13 14:53                         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-01-13 14:53                           ` Guenter Roeck
2015-01-14  6:09                           ` Timo Kokkonen
2015-01-14  6:09                             ` Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-18 12:57                           ` [PATCHv3 0/2] watchdog: Introduce "early-timeout-sec" property Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-18 12:57                             ` Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-18 12:57                             ` [PATCH 1/2] devicetree: Document generic watchdog properties Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-18 12:57                               ` Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-18 12:57                             ` [PATCH 2/2] at91sam9_wdt: Allow watchdog to reset device at early boot Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-18 12:57                               ` Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-18 13:21                               ` Boris Brezillon
2015-02-18 13:21                                 ` Boris Brezillon
2015-02-18 13:59                               ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-18 13:59                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-18 14:17                                 ` Boris Brezillon
2015-02-18 14:17                                   ` Boris Brezillon
2015-02-18 14:50                                   ` Guenter Roeck [this message]
2015-02-18 14:50                                     ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-18 16:00                                     ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-02-18 16:00                                       ` Alexandre Belloni
2015-02-18 17:50                                       ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-18 17:50                                         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-18 20:21                                         ` Boris Brezillon
2015-02-18 20:21                                           ` Boris Brezillon
2015-02-19  6:02                                           ` Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-19  6:02                                             ` Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-18 21:11                                       ` Rob Herring
2015-02-18 21:11                                         ` Rob Herring
2015-02-19  6:14                                         ` Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-19  6:14                                           ` Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-20 14:06                                           ` Rob Herring
2015-02-20 14:06                                             ` Rob Herring
2015-02-20 16:28                                             ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-20 16:28                                               ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-20 19:43                                               ` Boris Brezillon
2015-02-20 19:43                                                 ` Boris Brezillon
2015-02-20 20:04                                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-20 20:04                                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-20  7:48                               ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2015-02-20  7:48                                 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2015-02-20  7:51                                 ` Boris Brezillon
2015-02-20  7:51                                   ` Boris Brezillon
2015-02-20 16:33                                   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2015-02-20 16:33                                     ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2015-02-20 17:16                                     ` Boris Brezillon
2015-02-20 17:16                                       ` Boris Brezillon
2015-02-20 18:06                                       ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-20 18:06                                         ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-23  7:29                                         ` Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-23  7:29                                           ` Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-23  8:51                                           ` Boris Brezillon
2015-02-23  8:51                                             ` Boris Brezillon
2015-02-23  9:11                                             ` Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-23  9:11                                               ` Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-23 16:19                                               ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-23 16:19                                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-23 17:10                                                 ` Rob Herring
2015-02-23 17:10                                                   ` Rob Herring
2015-02-23 17:43                                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-23 17:43                                                     ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-20  8:00                                 ` Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-20  8:00                                   ` Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-20 16:09                                 ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-20 16:09                                   ` Guenter Roeck
2015-02-18 13:16                             ` [PATCHv3 0/2] watchdog: Introduce "early-timeout-sec" property Boris Brezillon
2015-02-18 13:16                               ` Boris Brezillon
2015-02-18 13:51                               ` Timo Kokkonen
2015-02-18 13:51                                 ` Timo Kokkonen

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