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From: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: Hajime Tazaki <tazaki@wide.ad.jp>,
	Linux-Arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Jeff Dike <jdike@addtoit.com>,
	mathieu.lacage@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/11] an introduction of library operating system for Linux (LibOS)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 06:52:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5514F004.7030509@nod.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMuHMdXYa2K8FH48A8_O-TsfduUC2A2WWD_bHhBgznf6FbN1Zw@mail.gmail.com>

Am 27.03.2015 um 04:49 schrieb Geert Uytterhoeven:
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 4:31 AM, Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au> wrote:
>> Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at> writes:
>>> This also infers that arch/lib will be broken most of the time as
>>> every time the networking stack references a new symbol it
>>> has to be duplicated into arch/lib.
>>>
>>> But this does not mean that your idea is bad, all I want to say that
>>> I'm not sure whether arch/lib is the right approach.
>>> Maybe Arnd has a better idea.
>>
>> Exactly why I look forward to getting this in-tree.  Jeremy Kerr and I
>> wrote nfsim back in 2005(!) which stubbed around the netfilter
>> infrastructure; with failtest and valgrind it found some nasty bugs.  It
>> was too much hassle to maintain out-of-tree though :(
>>
>> I look forward to a flood of great bugfixes from this work :)
> 
> IIRC, the ability to run UML under valgrind was also one of its key features?
> And that's not limited to networking.

Sadly this feature went never mainline. You needed a rather invading patch
for both Linux and valgrind.

But now with KASan we have a much more powerful feature to find issues.

Thanks,
//richard

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From: Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>
To: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
Cc: Hajime Tazaki <tazaki@wide.ad.jp>,
	Linux-Arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Jeff Dike <jdike@addtoit.com>,
	mathieu.lacage@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/11] an introduction of library operating system for Linux (LibOS)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 06:52:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5514F004.7030509@nod.at> (raw)
Message-ID: <20150327055204.6ngbwJykJQ3QHyExwe7qqOLR5RvVt_c9FsbZWTEsXTQ@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAMuHMdXYa2K8FH48A8_O-TsfduUC2A2WWD_bHhBgznf6FbN1Zw@mail.gmail.com>

Am 27.03.2015 um 04:49 schrieb Geert Uytterhoeven:
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 4:31 AM, Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au> wrote:
>> Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at> writes:
>>> This also infers that arch/lib will be broken most of the time as
>>> every time the networking stack references a new symbol it
>>> has to be duplicated into arch/lib.
>>>
>>> But this does not mean that your idea is bad, all I want to say that
>>> I'm not sure whether arch/lib is the right approach.
>>> Maybe Arnd has a better idea.
>>
>> Exactly why I look forward to getting this in-tree.  Jeremy Kerr and I
>> wrote nfsim back in 2005(!) which stubbed around the netfilter
>> infrastructure; with failtest and valgrind it found some nasty bugs.  It
>> was too much hassle to maintain out-of-tree though :(
>>
>> I look forward to a flood of great bugfixes from this work :)
> 
> IIRC, the ability to run UML under valgrind was also one of its key features?
> And that's not limited to networking.

Sadly this feature went never mainline. You needed a rather invading patch
for both Linux and valgrind.

But now with KASan we have a much more powerful feature to find issues.

Thanks,
//richard

  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-27  5:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 230+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-24 13:10 [RFC PATCH 00/11] an introduction of library operating system for Linux (LibOS) Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 01/11] sysctl: make some functions unstatic to access by arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10   ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 16:13   ` Joe Perches
2015-03-24 16:13     ` Joe Perches
2015-03-25 15:31     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-25 15:31       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 02/11] slab: add private memory allocator header for arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10   ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 03/11] lib: public headers and API implementations for userspace programs Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10   ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 04/11] lib: memory management (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10   ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 05/11] lib: time handling " Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10   ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 06/11] lib: context and scheduling " Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10   ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 07/11] lib: sysctl " Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10   ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 08/11] lib: other kernel glue layer code Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10   ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-29 18:17   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-29 18:17     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-31  7:36     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-31  7:36       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-03  1:24       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-03  1:24         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 09/11] lib: asm-generic files Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10   ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 10/11] lib: libos build scripts and documentation Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10   ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10 ` [RFC PATCH 11/11] lib: tools used for test scripts Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:10   ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 13:21 ` [RFC PATCH 00/11] an introduction of library operating system for Linux (LibOS) Richard Weinberger
2015-03-24 13:21   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-24 13:21   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-24 13:21   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-24 14:25   ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 14:25     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 14:32     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-24 14:32       ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-24 15:24       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 15:24         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-24 15:27         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-24 15:27           ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-25 14:48           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-25 14:48             ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-25 22:50             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-25 22:50               ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-26 16:24               ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-26 16:24                 ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-26 18:55                 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-26 18:55                   ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-27  3:31                   ` Rusty Russell
2015-03-27  3:31                     ` Rusty Russell
2015-03-27  3:49                     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-03-27  3:49                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2015-03-27  5:52                       ` Richard Weinberger [this message]
2015-03-27  5:52                         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-27  6:05                     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-27  6:05                       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-27  6:34                   ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-27  6:34                     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-27  9:21                     ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-27  9:21                       ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-27 15:17                       ` Antti Kantee
2015-03-28 21:17                         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-29 15:36                           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-29 16:47                             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-29 16:59                           ` Antti Kantee
2015-03-29 18:05                             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-29 15:06                       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-29 15:06                         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-30  6:41                         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-30  6:41                           ` Richard Weinberger
2015-03-31  7:47                           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-03-31  7:47                             ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-09  8:36                             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-09  8:36                               ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-14  3:20                               ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-14  3:20                                 ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-01  1:29                         ` Rusty Russell
2015-04-01  1:29                           ` Rusty Russell
2015-04-03  1:43                           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-03  1:43                             ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-07  1:25                             ` Rusty Russell
2015-04-07  1:25                               ` Rusty Russell
2015-04-17  9:36 ` [RFC PATCH v2 " Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/11] sysctl: make some functions unstatic to access by arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/11] slab: add private memory allocator header for arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17 12:17     ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-17 12:17       ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-17 12:44       ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-17 12:44         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-17 15:02         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17 15:02           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17 15:08           ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-17 15:08             ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-17 15:27             ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17 15:27               ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17 22:26             ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-17 22:26               ` Christoph Lameter
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/11] lib: public headers and API implementations for userspace programs Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/11] lib: memory management (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/11] lib: time handling " Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/11] lib: context and scheduling " Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/11] lib: sysctl " Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/11] lib: other kernel glue layer code Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/11] lib: asm-generic files Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/11] lib: libos build scripts and documentation Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36   ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/11] lib: tools used for test scripts Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-17  9:36     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28   ` [RFC PATCH v3 00/10] an introduction of library operating system for Linux (LibOS) Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/10] sysctl: make some functions unstatic to access by arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/10] slab: add SLIB (Library memory allocator) for arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/10] lib: public headers and API implementations for userspace programs Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/10] lib: time handling (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/10] lib: context and scheduling functions (kernel glue code) for libos Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/10] lib: sysctl handling (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/10] lib: other kernel glue layer code Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/10] lib: auxially files for auto-generated asm-generic files of libos Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/10] lib: libos build scripts and documentation Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-20 20:43       ` Paul Bolle
2015-04-20 20:43         ` Paul Bolle
2015-04-22  5:33         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-22  5:33           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28     ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/10] lib: tools used for test scripts Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-19 13:28       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-24  7:40     ` [RFC PATCH v3 00/10] an introduction of library operating system for Linux (LibOS) Richard Weinberger
2015-04-24  7:40       ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-24  8:22       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-24  8:22         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-24  8:59         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-24  8:59           ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-24  9:50           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-24  9:50             ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00     ` [PATCH v4 00/10] an introduction of Linux library operating system (LibOS) Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 01/10] sysctl: make some functions unstatic to access by arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 02/10] slab: add SLIB (Library memory allocator) for arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 03/10] lib: public headers and API implementations for userspace programs Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 04/10] lib: time handling (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 05/10] lib: context and scheduling functions (kernel glue code) for libos Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 06/10] lib: sysctl handling (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 07/10] lib: other kernel glue layer code Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 08/10] lib: auxially files for auto-generated asm-generic files of libos Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 09/10] lib: libos build scripts and documentation Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00       ` [PATCH v4 10/10] lib: tools used for test scripts Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  3:00         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-27  7:29       ` [PATCH v4 00/10] an introduction of Linux library operating system (LibOS) Richard Weinberger
2015-04-27  7:29         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-27  7:39         ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-27  7:39           ` Richard Weinberger
2015-04-29 23:16           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-04-29 23:16             ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28       ` [PATCH v5 " Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 01/10] sysctl: make some functions unstatic to access by arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 02/10] slab: add SLIB (Library memory allocator) for arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 03/10] lib: public headers and API implementations for userspace programs Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 04/10] lib: time handling (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 05/10] lib: context and scheduling functions (kernel glue code) for libos Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 06/10] lib: sysctl handling (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 07/10] lib: other kernel glue layer code Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 08/10] lib: auxiliary files for auto-generated asm-generic files of libos Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 09/10] lib: libos build scripts and documentation Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28         ` [PATCH v5 10/10] lib: tools used for test scripts Hajime Tazaki
2015-05-13  5:28           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16         ` [PATCH v6 00/10] an introduction of Linux library operating system (LibOS) Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 01/10] sysctl: make some functions unstatic to access by arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16             ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 02/10] slab: add SLIB (Library memory allocator) for arch/lib Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16             ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 03/10] lib: public headers and API implementations for userspace programs Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16             ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 04/10] lib: time handling (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16             ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 05/10] lib: context and scheduling functions (kernel glue code) for libos Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16             ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 06/10] lib: sysctl handling (kernel glue code) Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16             ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 07/10] lib: other kernel glue layer code Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16             ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 08/10] lib: auxiliary files for auto-generated asm-generic files of libos Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16             ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 09/10] lib: libos build scripts and documentation Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16             ` Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16           ` [PATCH v6 10/10] lib: tools used for test scripts Hajime Tazaki
2015-09-03 14:16             ` Hajime Tazaki

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