From: Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>
To: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
Stuart Yoder <stuart.yoder@freescale.com>
Cc: Varun Sethi <Varun.Sethi@freescale.com>,
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Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
Scott Wood <scottwood@freescale.com>,
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<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] irqchip/gicv3-its: Support share device ID
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:44:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <553A72D4.7000801@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150424161818.GC7313@arm.com>
On 24/04/15 17:18, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 08:41:02PM +0100, Stuart Yoder wrote:
>>>> However, there is an improvement we envision as possible due to
>>>> the limited number of SMMU contexts (i.e. 64). If there are
>>>> 64 SMMU context registers it means that there is a max of
>>>> 64 software contexts where things can be isolated. But, say I have
>>>> an SRIOV card with 64 VFs, and I want to assign 8 of the VFs
>>>> to a KVM VM. Those 8 PCI devices could share the same
>>>> streamID/ITS-device-ID since they all share the same isolation
>>>> context.
>>>>
>>>> What would be nice is at the time the 8 VFS are being added
>>>> to the IOMMU domain is for the pcidevid -> streamID mapping
>>>> table to be updated dynamically. It simply lets us make
>>>> more efficient use of the limited streamIDs we have.
>>>>
>>>> I think it is this improvement that Minghuan had in mind
>>>> in this patch.
>>>
>>> Ok, but in this case it should be possible to use a single context bank for
>>> all of the VF streamIDs by configuring the appropriate SMR, no?
>>
>> Yes, but there are limited SMRs. In our case there are only
>> 128 SMRs in SMMU-500 and we have potentially way more masters than
>> that.
>
> Right, but you still only have 64 context banks at the end of the day, so do
> you really anticipate having more than 128 masters concurrently using the
> SMMU? If so, then we have devices sharing context banks so we could consider
> reusing SMRs across masters, but historically that's not been something that
> we've managed to solve.
>
>>> Wouldn't
>>> that sort of thing be preferable to dynamic StreamID assignment? It would
>>> certainly make life easier for the MSIs.
>>
>> It would be preferable, but given only 128 total stream IDS and
>> 64 context registers it's potentially an issue. On our LS2085 SoC it is
>> PCI and the fsl-mc bus (see description here:
>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/3/5/795) that potentially have way
>> more masters than streamIDS. So, for those busses we would essentially
>> view a streamID as a "context ID"-- each SMR is associated with
>> 1 context bank register.
>>
>> For PCI we have a programmable "PCI req ID"-to-"stream ID"
>> mapping table in the PCI controller that is dynamically
>> programmable.
>>
>> Looking at it like that means that we could have
>> any number of masters but only 64 "contexts"
>> and since the masters all all programmable it's
>> seems feasbile to envision doing some bus/vendor
>> specific set up when a device is added to an
>> IOMMU domain. One thing that would need to be conveyed
>> to the SMMU driver if doing dynamic streamID setup
>> is what streamIDs are available to be used.
>
> Ok, but this is going to make life difficult for the MSI people, I suspect.
>
> Marc...?
We're really facing two conflicting requirements: in order to minimize
SMR usage, we want to alias multiple ReqIDs to a single StreamID, but in
order to efficiently deal with MSIs, we want to see discrete DeviceIDs
(the actual ReqIDs). I don't easily see how we reconcile the two.
We can deal with the aliasing, provided that we extend the level of
quirkiness that pci_for_each_dma_alias can deal with. But that doesn't
solve any form of hotplug/SR-IOV behaviour.
Somehow, we're going to end-up with grossly oversized ITTs, just to
accommodate for the fact that we have no idea how many MSIs we're going
to end-up needing. I'm not thrilled with that prospect.
Thanks,
M.
--
Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny...
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From: marc.zyngier@arm.com (Marc Zyngier)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 1/2] irqchip/gicv3-its: Support share device ID
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:44:04 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <553A72D4.7000801@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150424161818.GC7313@arm.com>
On 24/04/15 17:18, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 08:41:02PM +0100, Stuart Yoder wrote:
>>>> However, there is an improvement we envision as possible due to
>>>> the limited number of SMMU contexts (i.e. 64). If there are
>>>> 64 SMMU context registers it means that there is a max of
>>>> 64 software contexts where things can be isolated. But, say I have
>>>> an SRIOV card with 64 VFs, and I want to assign 8 of the VFs
>>>> to a KVM VM. Those 8 PCI devices could share the same
>>>> streamID/ITS-device-ID since they all share the same isolation
>>>> context.
>>>>
>>>> What would be nice is at the time the 8 VFS are being added
>>>> to the IOMMU domain is for the pcidevid -> streamID mapping
>>>> table to be updated dynamically. It simply lets us make
>>>> more efficient use of the limited streamIDs we have.
>>>>
>>>> I think it is this improvement that Minghuan had in mind
>>>> in this patch.
>>>
>>> Ok, but in this case it should be possible to use a single context bank for
>>> all of the VF streamIDs by configuring the appropriate SMR, no?
>>
>> Yes, but there are limited SMRs. In our case there are only
>> 128 SMRs in SMMU-500 and we have potentially way more masters than
>> that.
>
> Right, but you still only have 64 context banks at the end of the day, so do
> you really anticipate having more than 128 masters concurrently using the
> SMMU? If so, then we have devices sharing context banks so we could consider
> reusing SMRs across masters, but historically that's not been something that
> we've managed to solve.
>
>>> Wouldn't
>>> that sort of thing be preferable to dynamic StreamID assignment? It would
>>> certainly make life easier for the MSIs.
>>
>> It would be preferable, but given only 128 total stream IDS and
>> 64 context registers it's potentially an issue. On our LS2085 SoC it is
>> PCI and the fsl-mc bus (see description here:
>> https://lkml.org/lkml/2015/3/5/795) that potentially have way
>> more masters than streamIDS. So, for those busses we would essentially
>> view a streamID as a "context ID"-- each SMR is associated with
>> 1 context bank register.
>>
>> For PCI we have a programmable "PCI req ID"-to-"stream ID"
>> mapping table in the PCI controller that is dynamically
>> programmable.
>>
>> Looking at it like that means that we could have
>> any number of masters but only 64 "contexts"
>> and since the masters all all programmable it's
>> seems feasbile to envision doing some bus/vendor
>> specific set up when a device is added to an
>> IOMMU domain. One thing that would need to be conveyed
>> to the SMMU driver if doing dynamic streamID setup
>> is what streamIDs are available to be used.
>
> Ok, but this is going to make life difficult for the MSI people, I suspect.
>
> Marc...?
We're really facing two conflicting requirements: in order to minimize
SMR usage, we want to alias multiple ReqIDs to a single StreamID, but in
order to efficiently deal with MSIs, we want to see discrete DeviceIDs
(the actual ReqIDs). I don't easily see how we reconcile the two.
We can deal with the aliasing, provided that we extend the level of
quirkiness that pci_for_each_dma_alias can deal with. But that doesn't
solve any form of hotplug/SR-IOV behaviour.
Somehow, we're going to end-up with grossly oversized ITTs, just to
accommodate for the fact that we have no idea how many MSIs we're going
to end-up needing. I'm not thrilled with that prospect.
Thanks,
M.
--
Jazz is not dead. It just smells funny...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-04-24 16:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-04-15 9:49 [PATCH] irqchip/gicv3-its: Decrease page size when needed Minghuan Lian
2015-04-15 9:49 ` Minghuan Lian
2015-04-15 9:49 ` [PATCH 1/2] irqchip/gicv3-its: Support share device ID Minghuan Lian
2015-04-15 9:49 ` Minghuan Lian
2015-04-15 11:08 ` Varun Sethi
2015-04-15 11:08 ` Varun Sethi
2015-04-15 11:38 ` Minghuan.Lian
2015-04-15 11:38 ` Minghuan.Lian at freescale.com
2015-04-15 13:18 ` Varun Sethi
2015-04-15 13:18 ` Varun Sethi
2015-04-16 10:40 ` Will Deacon
2015-04-16 10:40 ` Will Deacon
2015-04-17 14:19 ` Stuart Yoder
2015-04-17 14:19 ` Stuart Yoder
2015-04-17 17:57 ` Varun Sethi
2015-04-17 17:57 ` Varun Sethi
2015-04-22 17:07 ` Will Deacon
2015-04-22 17:07 ` Will Deacon
2015-04-22 18:40 ` Varun Sethi
2015-04-22 18:40 ` Varun Sethi
2015-04-22 19:41 ` Stuart Yoder
2015-04-22 19:41 ` Stuart Yoder
2015-04-24 16:18 ` Will Deacon
2015-04-24 16:18 ` Will Deacon
2015-04-24 16:44 ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2015-04-24 16:44 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-04-24 18:18 ` Stuart Yoder
2015-04-24 18:18 ` Stuart Yoder
2015-04-25 10:39 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-04-25 10:39 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-04-26 18:20 ` Varun Sethi
2015-04-26 18:20 ` Varun Sethi
2015-04-27 7:58 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-04-27 7:58 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-04-27 13:08 ` Varun Sethi
2015-04-27 13:08 ` Varun Sethi
2015-04-27 17:04 ` Will Deacon
2015-04-27 17:04 ` Will Deacon
2015-05-01 15:23 ` Stuart Yoder
2015-05-01 15:23 ` Stuart Yoder
2015-05-01 15:26 ` Will Deacon
2015-05-01 15:26 ` Will Deacon
2015-04-27 17:17 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-04-27 17:17 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-04-24 19:24 ` Stuart Yoder
2015-04-24 19:24 ` Stuart Yoder
2015-04-24 18:09 ` Stuart Yoder
2015-04-24 18:09 ` Stuart Yoder
2015-04-26 18:26 ` Varun Sethi
2015-04-26 18:26 ` Varun Sethi
2015-04-15 16:36 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-04-15 16:36 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-04-16 2:57 ` Minghuan.Lian
2015-04-16 2:57 ` Minghuan.Lian at freescale.com
2015-04-16 10:04 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-04-16 10:04 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-04-16 10:57 ` Minghuan.Lian
2015-04-16 10:57 ` Minghuan.Lian at freescale.com
2015-04-16 11:50 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-04-16 11:50 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-04-16 18:38 ` Varun Sethi
2015-04-16 18:38 ` Varun Sethi
2015-04-17 2:34 ` Minghuan.Lian
2015-04-17 2:34 ` Minghuan.Lian at freescale.com
2015-04-15 9:49 ` [PATCH 2/2] pci/layerscape: Add LS2085A MSI support Minghuan Lian
2015-04-15 9:49 ` Minghuan Lian
2015-04-15 11:51 ` [PATCH] irqchip/gicv3-its: Decrease page size when needed Jason Cooper
2015-04-15 11:51 ` Jason Cooper
2015-04-15 14:17 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-04-15 14:17 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-04-16 1:15 ` Minghuan.Lian
2015-04-16 1:15 ` Minghuan.Lian at freescale.com
2015-04-15 16:31 ` Marc Zyngier
2015-04-15 16:31 ` Marc Zyngier
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