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From: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>
Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu" <kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu>
Subject: Re: [RFC/RFT PATCH v2 0/3] KVM: Introduce KVM_MEM_UNCACHED
Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:33:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5554A445.8090709@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA99J_Yq_6CyawSutD6DYB3mP-v=GtxiMvayqdUPC2cNrQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/14/15 15:11, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On 14 May 2015 at 14:03, Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:37:46AM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
>>> On 14 May 2015 at 11:31, Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> Forgot to (4): switch from setting userspace's mapping to
>>>> device memory to normal, non-cacheable. Using device memory
>>>> caused a problem that Alex Graf found, and Peter Maydell suggested
>>>> using normal, non-cacheable instead.
>>>
>>> Did you check that non-cacheable is definitely the correct
>>> kind of Normal memory attribute we want? (ie not write-through).
>>
>> I was concerned that write-through wouldn't be sufficient. If the
>> guest writes to its non-cached memory, and QEMU needs to see what
>> it wrote, then won't write-through fail to work? Unless we some
>> how invalidate the cache first?
> 
> Well, I meant more that the correct mapping for userspace is
> the same as the guest, whatever that is, and so somebody needs
> to look at what the guest actually does

I think Ard explored this earlier, by tracking the MAIRs and stuff.
Can't recall what the findings were though. (Or I could be simply
confused, sorry.)

Laszlo

> rather than merely
> hoping NormalNC is OK. (For instance, do we need to provide
> support for QEMU to map both NC and writethrough?)
> 
> -- PMM
> 

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com>
Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	Marc Zyngier <marc.zyngier@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu" <kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu>,
	Christoffer Dall <christoffer.dall@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [RFC/RFT PATCH v2 0/3] KVM: Introduce KVM_MEM_UNCACHED
Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:33:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5554A445.8090709@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFEAcA99J_Yq_6CyawSutD6DYB3mP-v=GtxiMvayqdUPC2cNrQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/14/15 15:11, Peter Maydell wrote:
> On 14 May 2015 at 14:03, Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:37:46AM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
>>> On 14 May 2015 at 11:31, Andrew Jones <drjones@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>> Forgot to (4): switch from setting userspace's mapping to
>>>> device memory to normal, non-cacheable. Using device memory
>>>> caused a problem that Alex Graf found, and Peter Maydell suggested
>>>> using normal, non-cacheable instead.
>>>
>>> Did you check that non-cacheable is definitely the correct
>>> kind of Normal memory attribute we want? (ie not write-through).
>>
>> I was concerned that write-through wouldn't be sufficient. If the
>> guest writes to its non-cached memory, and QEMU needs to see what
>> it wrote, then won't write-through fail to work? Unless we some
>> how invalidate the cache first?
> 
> Well, I meant more that the correct mapping for userspace is
> the same as the guest, whatever that is, and so somebody needs
> to look at what the guest actually does

I think Ard explored this earlier, by tracking the MAIRs and stuff.
Can't recall what the findings were though. (Or I could be simply
confused, sorry.)

Laszlo

> rather than merely
> hoping NormalNC is OK. (For instance, do we need to provide
> support for QEMU to map both NC and writethrough?)
> 
> -- PMM
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-14 13:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-13 11:31 [RFC/RFT PATCH v2 0/3] KVM: Introduce KVM_MEM_UNCACHED Andrew Jones
2015-05-13 11:31 ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2015-05-13 11:31 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH v2 1/3] arm/arm64: pageattr: add set_memory_nc Andrew Jones
2015-05-13 11:31   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2015-05-14 11:05   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-05-14 11:05     ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2015-05-14 13:46     ` Andrew Jones
2015-05-14 13:46       ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2015-05-15 14:51       ` Christoffer Dall
2015-05-15 14:51         ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2015-05-18 15:53       ` Catalin Marinas
2015-05-18 15:53         ` [Qemu-devel] " Catalin Marinas
2015-05-19 10:03         ` Andrew Jones
2015-05-19 10:03           ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2015-05-19 11:18           ` Catalin Marinas
2015-05-19 11:18             ` [Qemu-devel] " Catalin Marinas
2015-05-19 11:38             ` Andrew Jones
2015-05-19 11:38               ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2015-05-20 10:01             ` Christoffer Dall
2015-05-20 10:01               ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2015-05-20 11:24               ` Catalin Marinas
2015-05-20 11:24                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Catalin Marinas
2015-05-23  1:08         ` Mario Smarduch
2015-05-23  1:08           ` [Qemu-devel] " Mario Smarduch
2015-05-25 17:11           ` Andrew Jones
2015-05-25 17:11             ` Andrew Jones
2015-05-27  1:08             ` Mario Smarduch
2015-05-27  1:08               ` Mario Smarduch
2015-05-13 11:31 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH v2 2/3] KVM: promote KVM_MEMSLOT_INCOHERENT to uapi Andrew Jones
2015-05-13 11:31   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2015-05-14 10:12   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-14 10:12     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-14 10:34   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-05-14 10:34     ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2015-05-13 11:31 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH v2 3/3] arm/arm64: KVM: implement 'uncached' mem coherency Andrew Jones
2015-05-13 11:31   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2015-05-14 10:55   ` Christoffer Dall
2015-05-14 10:55     ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2015-05-14 13:32     ` Andrew Jones
2015-05-14 13:32       ` Andrew Jones
2015-05-15 15:02       ` Christoffer Dall
2015-05-15 15:02         ` Christoffer Dall
2015-05-15 17:04         ` Andrew Jones
2015-05-15 17:04           ` Andrew Jones
2015-05-15 20:16           ` Jérémy Fanguède
2015-05-15 20:16             ` Jérémy Fanguède
2015-05-21  2:29           ` Mario Smarduch
2015-05-21  2:29             ` Mario Smarduch
2015-05-21 16:50             ` Andrew Jones
2015-05-21 16:50               ` Andrew Jones
2015-05-14 10:30 ` [RFC/RFT PATCH v2 0/3] KVM: Introduce KVM_MEM_UNCACHED Christoffer Dall
2015-05-14 10:30   ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2015-05-14 11:09   ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-05-14 11:09     ` [Qemu-devel] " Laszlo Ersek
2015-05-14 11:29     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-05-14 11:29       ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2015-05-14 11:31       ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-14 11:31         ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-14 11:36         ` Christoffer Dall
2015-05-14 11:36           ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2015-05-14 11:38           ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-14 11:38             ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-14 12:00             ` Christoffer Dall
2015-05-14 12:00               ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2015-05-14 12:08               ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-14 12:08                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-14 12:24                 ` Christoffer Dall
2015-05-14 12:24                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2015-05-14 12:28                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-14 12:28                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Paolo Bonzini
2015-05-14 12:34                     ` Christoffer Dall
2015-05-14 12:34                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Christoffer Dall
2015-05-14 13:01                       ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-05-14 13:01                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Laszlo Ersek
2015-05-14 12:38                     ` Peter Maydell
2015-05-14 12:38                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2015-05-14 13:00                       ` Andrew Jones
2015-05-14 13:00                         ` Andrew Jones
2015-05-14 13:32                         ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-05-14 13:32                           ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-05-14 13:48                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-05-14 13:48                             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-05-14 14:19                             ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-05-14 14:19                               ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-05-14 14:41                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-05-14 14:41                                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-05-15  9:00                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-05-15  9:00                                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2015-05-14 10:31 ` Andrew Jones
2015-05-14 10:31   ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2015-05-14 10:37   ` Peter Maydell
2015-05-14 10:37     ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2015-05-14 13:03     ` Andrew Jones
2015-05-14 13:03       ` [Qemu-devel] " Andrew Jones
2015-05-14 13:11       ` Peter Maydell
2015-05-14 13:11         ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2015-05-14 13:33         ` Laszlo Ersek [this message]
2015-05-14 13:33           ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-05-14 13:36         ` Andrew Jones
2015-05-14 13:36           ` Andrew Jones
2015-05-15 15:09           ` Christoffer Dall
2015-05-15 15:09             ` Christoffer Dall

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