[RFC] FSL Community BSP meeting - proposal

[RFC] FSL Community BSP meeting - proposal

[Otavio Salvador]

Hello everybody,

It has been a long time since we had our last FSL Community BSP
meeting. We have several development directions to discuss this time.

I want to propose the first meeting of 2015 and I would like to hear
what is the suitable time for the it. I think 15 days ahead is enough.
What about June 5th at 15:00 UTC?

The currently proposed agenda is pasted below:

FSL Community BSP Meeting Agenda

Status
  - Fido status
    - libz160 failure
    - What else?

Development directions
  - Upstream
  - GCC 5 (imx28 / imx53)
    - Removal of linux-imx 2.6.35
    - Removal of gst-fsl-plugins/imx-lib/imx-test/amd
  - GStreamer 0.10 removal from OE-Core
    - Removal of gst-fsl-plugins
  - Linux kernel fork for reference boards (maintenance)

People time (to review)
  - Eric Nelson: UTC -7
  - Trevor Worener: UTC -5
  - Anthony Felice: UTC -5 - prefer work days
  - Daiane: UTC -3 - prefer work days

-- 
Otavio Salvador                             O.S. Systems
http://www.ossystems.com.br        http://code.ossystems.com.br
Mobile: +55 (53) 9981-7854            Mobile: +1 (347) 903-9750

Re: [RFC] FSL Community BSP meeting - proposal

[Daiane Angolini]

On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Otavio Salvador
<otavio@ossystems.com.br> wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> It has been a long time since we had our last FSL Community BSP
> meeting. We have several development directions to discuss this time.
>
> I want to propose the first meeting of 2015 and I would like to hear
> what is the suitable time for the it. I think 15 days ahead is enough.
> What about June 5th at 15:00 UTC?

I agree, and this timing is OK to me.


Daiane
>
> The currently proposed agenda is pasted below:
>
> FSL Community BSP Meeting Agenda
>
> Status
>   - Fido status
>     - libz160 failure
>     - What else?
>
> Development directions
>   - Upstream
>   - GCC 5 (imx28 / imx53)
>     - Removal of linux-imx 2.6.35
>     - Removal of gst-fsl-plugins/imx-lib/imx-test/amd
>   - GStreamer 0.10 removal from OE-Core
>     - Removal of gst-fsl-plugins
>   - Linux kernel fork for reference boards (maintenance)
>
> People time (to review)
>   - Eric Nelson: UTC -7
>   - Trevor Worener: UTC -5
>   - Anthony Felice: UTC -5 - prefer work days
>   - Daiane: UTC -3 - prefer work days
>
> --
> Otavio Salvador                             O.S. Systems
> http://www.ossystems.com.br        http://code.ossystems.com.br
> Mobile: +55 (53) 9981-7854            Mobile: +1 (347) 903-9750
> --
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Re: [RFC] FSL Community BSP meeting - proposal

[Eric Nelson]

On 05/25/2015 10:26 AM, Daiane Angolini wrote:
> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Otavio Salvador
> <otavio@ossystems.com.br> wrote:
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> It has been a long time since we had our last FSL Community BSP
>> meeting. We have several development directions to discuss this time.
>>
>> I want to propose the first meeting of 2015 and I would like to hear
>> what is the suitable time for the it. I think 15 days ahead is enough.
>> What about June 5th at 15:00 UTC?
> 
> I agree, and this timing is OK to me.
> 

The time and date work for me too.

Re: [RFC] FSL Community BSP meeting - proposal

[Otavio Salvador]

Hello everyone,

it seems Daiane, Eric and I are the only ones considering the FSL
Community meeting something important. I think there is no need for a
meeting for three people to discuss things that concerns the whole
community. In this case I am cancelling it.

I consider that the community meeting is the opportunity to discuss
the important technical and social aspects of this community and
influence the direction it takes. I may be wrong though, please let me
know if you prefer the mailing list for this kind of discussion or if
you think it is completely useless.

Seriously, please expose your point of view.

Regards,


On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Otavio Salvador
<otavio@ossystems.com.br> wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> It has been a long time since we had our last FSL Community BSP
> meeting. We have several development directions to discuss this time.
>
> I want to propose the first meeting of 2015 and I would like to hear
> what is the suitable time for the it. I think 15 days ahead is enough.
> What about June 5th at 15:00 UTC?
>
> The currently proposed agenda is pasted below:
>
> FSL Community BSP Meeting Agenda
>
> Status
>   - Fido status
>     - libz160 failure
>     - What else?
>
> Development directions
>   - Upstream
>   - GCC 5 (imx28 / imx53)
>     - Removal of linux-imx 2.6.35
>     - Removal of gst-fsl-plugins/imx-lib/imx-test/amd
>   - GStreamer 0.10 removal from OE-Core
>     - Removal of gst-fsl-plugins
>   - Linux kernel fork for reference boards (maintenance)
>
> People time (to review)
>   - Eric Nelson: UTC -7
>   - Trevor Worener: UTC -5
>   - Anthony Felice: UTC -5 - prefer work days
>   - Daiane: UTC -3 - prefer work days
>
> --
> Otavio Salvador                             O.S. Systems
> http://www.ossystems.com.br        http://code.ossystems.com.br
> Mobile: +55 (53) 9981-7854            Mobile: +1 (347) 903-9750



-- 
Otavio Salvador                             O.S. Systems
http://www.ossystems.com.br        http://code.ossystems.com.br
Mobile: +55 (53) 9981-7854            Mobile: +1 (347) 903-9750

Re: [RFC] FSL Community BSP meeting - proposal

[Daiane Angolini]

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Otavio Salvador <otavio@ossystems.com.br> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> it seems Daiane, Eric and I are the only ones considering the FSL
> Community meeting something important. I think there is no need for a
> meeting for three people to discuss things that concerns the whole
> community. In this case I am cancelling it.

You know the amount of time, effort and passion I spend/'ve spent with
FSL Community BSP. I'll be here anytime a decision is needed or a
meeting is wanted.

>
> I consider that the community meeting is the opportunity to discuss
> the important technical and social aspects of this community and
> influence the direction it takes. I may be wrong though, please let me
> know if you prefer the mailing list for this kind of discussion or if
> you think it is completely useless.

I deeply hate to participate in meetings. I really hate to talk on the phone.

But, it looks like, in 2015, people *still* are not able to value
email as "real human contact", that's why I think it's important to
"meet" (if I had money, I would prefer to meet in person in some place
like Bahamas)

For me, this silence means people are not interest on being part of
decisions. The directions we take are not important.

I'm free today and tomorrow, when you have a free time ping me on
gtalk. I want to understand the impacts of the change, and how we're
going to handle all this situation.

Best regards,
Daiane

>
> Seriously, please expose your point of view.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Otavio Salvador
> <otavio@ossystems.com.br> wrote:
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> It has been a long time since we had our last FSL Community BSP
>> meeting. We have several development directions to discuss this time.
>>
>> I want to propose the first meeting of 2015 and I would like to hear
>> what is the suitable time for the it. I think 15 days ahead is enough.
>> What about June 5th at 15:00 UTC?
>>
>> The currently proposed agenda is pasted below:
>>
>> FSL Community BSP Meeting Agenda
>>
>> Status
>>   - Fido status
>>     - libz160 failure
>>     - What else?
>>
>> Development directions
>>   - Upstream
>>   - GCC 5 (imx28 / imx53)
>>     - Removal of linux-imx 2.6.35
>>     - Removal of gst-fsl-plugins/imx-lib/imx-test/amd
>>   - GStreamer 0.10 removal from OE-Core
>>     - Removal of gst-fsl-plugins
>>   - Linux kernel fork for reference boards (maintenance)
>>
>> People time (to review)
>>   - Eric Nelson: UTC -7
>>   - Trevor Worener: UTC -5
>>   - Anthony Felice: UTC -5 - prefer work days
>>   - Daiane: UTC -3 - prefer work days
>>
>> --
>> Otavio Salvador                             O.S. Systems
>> http://www.ossystems.com.br        http://code.ossystems.com.br
>> Mobile: +55 (53) 9981-7854            Mobile: +1 (347) 903-9750
>
>
>
> --
> Otavio Salvador                             O.S. Systems
> http://www.ossystems.com.br        http://code.ossystems.com.br
> Mobile: +55 (53) 9981-7854            Mobile: +1 (347) 903-9750
> --
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Re: [RFC] FSL Community BSP meeting - proposal

[Leon Woestenberg]

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Hello everyone,

excuse me for asking, as I have just spent a few years no longer developing
for OpenEmbedded (my most active period was 2006-2011 when I started adding
Freescale PowerPC devices), only using it occasionally during the 2011-2015.

My main question: What is at stake?  Are there any upcoming changes?

my indication is that in a general sense, over the last decade:
- the number of users of OE and Yocto has increased rapidly
- but the number of developers has not increased. (Yes, new developers come
but many previous developers are busy with other stuff).
- the communication has become *much* more fragmented (IRC, FSL i.MX
community, wiki per vendor, per-layer mailing lists).

For users:

The users typically ask how to build "image" this-and-that with features
this-and-that, with a mix of BSP and other layers (Qt, browser, ...): I
think we should write down more quick how-to's based on stable releases
that are easily reproducable for a number of popular images.
Although we have a few images, we already have quite a big number of
variations through the number of variables (distro, features, board, kernel
support, blob compatilities). Subtle integration issues between  gstreamer,
qt, eglfs, wayland, etc.

A very good example of such how-to is:
http://wiki.wandboard.org/Building_Qt5_using_yocto_on_Wandboard

For users turning into developers: Lower the threshold to participate. Not
sure how.

Regards,

Leon.



On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 1:14 AM, Otavio Salvador <otavio@ossystems.com.br>
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> it seems Daiane, Eric and I are the only ones considering the FSL
> Community meeting something important. I think there is no need for a
> meeting for three people to discuss things that concerns the whole
> community. In this case I am cancelling it.
>
> I consider that the community meeting is the opportunity to discuss
> the important technical and social aspects of this community and
> influence the direction it takes. I may be wrong though, please let me
> know if you prefer the mailing list for this kind of discussion or if
> you think it is completely useless.
>
> Seriously, please expose your point of view.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2015 at 10:51 AM, Otavio Salvador
> <otavio@ossystems.com.br> wrote:
> > Hello everybody,
> >
> > It has been a long time since we had our last FSL Community BSP
> > meeting. We have several development directions to discuss this time.
> >
> > I want to propose the first meeting of 2015 and I would like to hear
> > what is the suitable time for the it. I think 15 days ahead is enough.
> > What about June 5th at 15:00 UTC?
> >
> > The currently proposed agenda is pasted below:
> >
> > FSL Community BSP Meeting Agenda
> >
> > Status
> >   - Fido status
> >     - libz160 failure
> >     - What else?
> >
> > Development directions
> >   - Upstream
> >   - GCC 5 (imx28 / imx53)
> >     - Removal of linux-imx 2.6.35
> >     - Removal of gst-fsl-plugins/imx-lib/imx-test/amd
> >   - GStreamer 0.10 removal from OE-Core
> >     - Removal of gst-fsl-plugins
> >   - Linux kernel fork for reference boards (maintenance)
> >
> > People time (to review)
> >   - Eric Nelson: UTC -7
> >   - Trevor Worener: UTC -5
> >   - Anthony Felice: UTC -5 - prefer work days
> >   - Daiane: UTC -3 - prefer work days
> >
> > --
> > Otavio Salvador                             O.S. Systems
> > http://www.ossystems.com.br        http://code.ossystems.com.br
> > Mobile: +55 (53) 9981-7854            Mobile: +1 (347) 903-9750
>
>
>
> --
> Otavio Salvador                             O.S. Systems
> http://www.ossystems.com.br        http://code.ossystems.com.br
> Mobile: +55 (53) 9981-7854            Mobile: +1 (347) 903-9750
> --
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>



-- 
Leon

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Re: [RFC] FSL Community BSP meeting - proposal

[Leon Woestenberg]

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Hi Daiane,

On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 3:00 PM, Daiane Angolini <daiane.list@gmail.com>
wrote:



> For me, this silence means people are not interest on being part of
> decisions. The directions we take are not important.
>
> I think they are important in the end, but most people are reactive rather
than proactive when it comes to problems/issues caused by changes. I think
also that is because most people here are "users" of Yocto, rather than
pro-active developers, and there is nothing wrong with that.

I'm sure someone will step up when they use 2.6.35 and it is removed. Is
that a bad thing? No, it wakes people up.

Speaking for myself, I am interested in understanding/maintaining quality
of those parts of Yocto/OE/layers that I am actively involved in at that
point in time.

Enjoy your free days!

Regards,
-- 
Leon

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