From: "Sebastian Herbszt" <herbszt@gmx.de>
To: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, glommer@redhat.com,
Kevin O'Connor <kevin@koconnor.net>,
Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>, Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: qdev property bug?
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 22:36:31 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5563A0E2972D48F59A648CBE0A4F0658@FSCPC> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B26A892.3040300@codemonkey.ws>
Anthony Liguori wrote:
> Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 02:43:38PM -0600, Anthony Liguori wrote:
>>
>>> Because it can be selected by the user via the menu and because it can
>>> be selected at runtime via the boot_set monitor command.
>>>
>>
>> Yes, but it's not like we have nowhere to store them.
>> We could shadow ROM when it is actually needed.
>>
>
> I believe the way this works with real BIOSes is that the rom is
> initially loaded somewhere outside of the 1M region and it's init is
> executed. It's then the rom's job to execute it's initialization.
> Afterwards, the bios copies the rom into the 1M region. This is how PMM
> works.
>
> The idea is that while outside of the 1M region, the rom can eliminate
> unnecessary code and update it's own header to reflect it's new,
> improved code size.
It's more like the following (pci 2.2):
- enable and map expansion rom bar
- find rom and copy to ram (0xC000-0xDFFFF)
- disable expansion rom bar
- call rom init
- rom might resize itself (DDIM)
- write protect rom
PMM doesn't have (anything?) to do with this and the rom doesn't have to be loaded
outside of 1MB.
> I don't know whether gpxe will actually reduce it's size as part of this
> process so it may not matter. After running the option roms init
> vector, the rom must be relocated into the option rom space though so
> even this technique is not a solution unless gpxe is able to discard a
> lot of bits it doesn't need.
gPXE supports DDIM.
>>> Also, the comment about "wasting memory" not quite accurate. The memory
>>> region in question is only used for roms. If we didn't put roms there,
>>> it would go to waste.
>>>
>>
>> Some BIOSes I saw have an option not to use the first 1M for rom
>> shadowing :). Seriously as you see we are already
>> running out of that 1M.
>>
>
> I think that's just the first phase of rom loading.
- Sebastian
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2009-12-14 10:59 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: qdev property bug? Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 11:55 ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-14 13:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 13:35 ` Alexander Graf
2009-12-14 14:01 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 17:00 ` Glauber Costa
2009-12-14 14:11 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 14:11 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 14:13 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 14:25 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 16:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 19:12 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-14 19:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 19:38 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-14 19:33 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 19:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 19:59 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:20 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 20:32 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-14 20:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 20:36 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 20:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15 2:37 ` Proper support for PCI-based option rom loading (was Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: qdev property bug?) Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 3:55 ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-15 4:34 ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-15 13:15 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 14:20 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 14:33 ` [SeaBIOS] " Avi Kivity
2009-12-15 17:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 23:54 ` Kevin OConnor
2009-12-16 0:41 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-16 4:20 ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-15 9:17 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-15 10:14 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-15 19:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-16 12:03 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-16 12:39 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-16 13:42 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-16 13:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-16 14:12 ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-16 14:14 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-16 14:17 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-16 14:15 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-16 14:18 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-16 14:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-16 14:28 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-12-16 14:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15 19:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 21:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15 21:41 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-16 0:33 ` Chris Wright
2009-12-16 1:32 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-16 4:57 ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-16 12:31 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-16 16:22 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-17 1:24 ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-17 9:45 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-17 9:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-17 10:40 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-16 14:41 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-16 14:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-16 14:50 ` [SeaBIOS] " Gleb Natapov
2009-12-15 13:16 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 21:24 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-15 21:31 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 21:38 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-15 22:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-17 21:14 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-16 4:29 ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-16 12:01 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-15 19:21 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 21:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15 21:45 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 21:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15 21:57 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 21:59 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15 22:26 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 22:51 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-16 14:49 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-17 20:33 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-15 10:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-15 19:05 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-15 19:06 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:43 ` [Qemu-devel] Re: qdev property bug? Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2009-12-14 21:05 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 21:36 ` Sebastian Herbszt [this message]
2009-12-14 21:52 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 22:14 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-15 4:23 ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-12-14 20:47 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-14 20:56 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 20:38 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-14 19:51 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-14 14:22 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 17:03 ` Glauber Costa
2009-12-14 17:01 ` Glauber Costa
2009-12-14 14:10 ` Anthony Liguori
2009-12-14 14:52 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2009-12-14 14:54 ` Anthony Liguori
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