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@ 2015-06-02 22:54 Sage Weil
  2015-06-04 13:30 ` John Spray
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 2+ messages in thread
From: Sage Weil @ 2015-06-02 22:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: john.spray, sjust; +Cc: ceph-devel

Hey John-

So the shared pgls stuff has collided a bit with the looming hobject 
sorting changes.  Sam and I just talked about it a bit and came up 
with what librados API would be most appealing:

 - the listing API would have start/end markers

 - it would be driven by a new opaque type rados_list_cursor_t, which is 
just data, no state, and internally is just an hobject_t.

 - it would be totally stateless.. kill the [N]ListContext stuff in 
Objecter (and reimplement a simple wrapper in librados.cc or even .h).  
Note that the important bits of state there now are

 epoch (needed for detecting split; this will go away with a better cursor)
 result buffer (we can drop this)
 nspace (part of the ioctx, it just tags each request)
 cookie (this basically becomes the cursor .. it's just an hobject_t typedef)

 - the list could take a start cursor, optional end cursor, and output the 
next cursor to continue from.

 - we'd lose the buffering that ListContext currently does, which means 
that the request that goes over the wire will return the same number 
of entries that the C caller asks for.  The C++ interface is an iterator 
so it'll have to do its own buffering, but that should be pretty 
trivial...

 - we should kill these calls, which were never used:

 CEPH_RADOS_API uint32_t rados_nobjects_list_get_pg_hash_position(rados_list_ctx_t ctx);

 CEPH_RADOS_API uint32_t rados_nobjects_list_seek(rados_list_ctx_t ctx,
                                                  uint32_t pos);

 - we'd add a new call that is something like 

 int rados_construct_iterator(ioctx, int n, int m, cursor *out);

so that you can get a position partway through the pg.

What do you think?  Unfortunately it is quite a departure from what you 
implemented already but I think it'll be a net simplification *and* 
let you do all the things we want, like

 - get a set of ranges to list form
 - change our mind partway through to break things into smaller shards 
without losing previous work
 - start listing from a random position in the pool

You could even list a single hash value by constructing a cursor with 
n=hash and n=hash=1 and m=2^32.

What do you think?
sage


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* Re: sharded collection list
  2015-06-02 22:54 sharded collection list Sage Weil
@ 2015-06-04 13:30 ` John Spray
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 2+ messages in thread
From: John Spray @ 2015-06-04 13:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Sage Weil, sjust; +Cc: ceph-devel


Talked about this elsewhere but for the benefit of the list:
  * The API suggested here looks nicer to me too
  * This depends on the new PGLS ordering OSD side, so that has to land 
before this
  * In the meantime I've rebased the #9964 (rados import/export) branch 
to not depend on sharded pgls

Cheers,
John

On 02/06/2015 23:54, Sage Weil wrote:
> Hey John-
>
> So the shared pgls stuff has collided a bit with the looming hobject
> sorting changes.  Sam and I just talked about it a bit and came up
> with what librados API would be most appealing:
>
>   - the listing API would have start/end markers
>
>   - it would be driven by a new opaque type rados_list_cursor_t, which is
> just data, no state, and internally is just an hobject_t.
>
>   - it would be totally stateless.. kill the [N]ListContext stuff in
> Objecter (and reimplement a simple wrapper in librados.cc or even .h).
> Note that the important bits of state there now are
>
>   epoch (needed for detecting split; this will go away with a better cursor)
>   result buffer (we can drop this)
>   nspace (part of the ioctx, it just tags each request)
>   cookie (this basically becomes the cursor .. it's just an hobject_t typedef)
>
>   - the list could take a start cursor, optional end cursor, and output the
> next cursor to continue from.
>
>   - we'd lose the buffering that ListContext currently does, which means
> that the request that goes over the wire will return the same number
> of entries that the C caller asks for.  The C++ interface is an iterator
> so it'll have to do its own buffering, but that should be pretty
> trivial...
>
>   - we should kill these calls, which were never used:
>
>   CEPH_RADOS_API uint32_t rados_nobjects_list_get_pg_hash_position(rados_list_ctx_t ctx);
>
>   CEPH_RADOS_API uint32_t rados_nobjects_list_seek(rados_list_ctx_t ctx,
>                                                    uint32_t pos);
>
>   - we'd add a new call that is something like
>
>   int rados_construct_iterator(ioctx, int n, int m, cursor *out);
>
> so that you can get a position partway through the pg.
>
> What do you think?  Unfortunately it is quite a departure from what you
> implemented already but I think it'll be a net simplification *and*
> let you do all the things we want, like
>
>   - get a set of ranges to list form
>   - change our mind partway through to break things into smaller shards
> without losing previous work
>   - start listing from a random position in the pool
>
> You could even list a single hash value by constructing a cursor with
> n=hash and n=hash=1 and m=2^32.
>
> What do you think?
> sage
>
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