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From: Jacek Anaszewski <j.anaszewski@samsung.com>
To: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@iki.fi>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC v2 1/5] leds: Use set_brightness_work for brightness_set ops that can sleep
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 11:52:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5593B84B.7030806@samsung.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150630222450.GR5904@valkosipuli.retiisi.org.uk>

Hi Sakari,

On 07/01/2015 12:24 AM, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> Hi Jacek,
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 03:59:26PM +0200, Jacek Anaszewski wrote:
>> This patch rearranges the core LED subsystem code, so that it
>> now shifts the responsibility for using work queues from drivers,
>> in case their brightness_set ops can sleep, onto the LED core
>> Addition of two flags: LED_BRIGHTNESS_FAST and LED_BLINK_DISABLE
>> as well as new_brightness_value property to the struct led_classdev
>> allows for employing existing set_brightness_work to do the job.
>> The modifications allows also to get rid of brightness_set_sync op,
>> as flash LED devices can now be handled properly only basing on the
>> SET_BRIGHTNESS_SYNC flag.
>
> Nice patch! Thanks!
>
> Looks like this is the favourite topic nowadays. ;-)

Yeah, this allows to believe that we will manage to tackle the issue
finally :)

> The documentation should be improved to tell how the API is expected to be
> have, e.g. which functions may block. I think this is out of scope for this
> patch though.

Yes, I planned to cover this after the patch is accepted.

> I think all the existing drivers that implement the set_brightness()
> callback have a fast (and non-blocking) implementation, and some of these
> drivers use a work queue. In order to avoid modifying those drivers right
> now, how about adding a flag for slow devices instead? "Slow" handlers
> should be those that do at least one of the following: 1) sleep and 2) take
> excessive amount of time to run.

As Andrew Lunn mentioned, he was also working on this issue and he did
the vast majority of work [1] needed to remove work queues from existing
drivers. Only new flags would have to be added.

> How about splitting the patch as follows:
>
> - set_brightness()/set_brightness_sync() -> set_brightness() +
>    LED_BRIGHTNESS_FAST + slow handlers in a work queue,
> - add LED_BLINK_DISABLE flag,
> - fix the heartbeat trigger (it's sleeping in a timer if LED_BRIGHTNESS_SYNC
>    is set).

With my solution heartbeat trigger is not sleeping even if
LED_BRIGHTNESS_SYNC is set as all triggers use the new function -
led_set_brightness_nosleep.

> I'd propose to drop led_set_brightness_async() and just make
> led_set_brightness() asynchronous (or non-blocking if you wish) as it was
> before the LED flash class patches. Considering the nature and tradition of
> the framework, that's probably how most users want it to be. One can always
> use led_set_brightness_sync() if needed.
>
> The caller should indeed decide whether the operation is synchronous or not,
> that's not really a property of the LED. I requested that for the V4L2
> framework due to the very different use cases that are typical for the LED
> class devices.
>
> I have some patches along these lines, but I probably won't have much time
> to work on them, and I can rebase mine on yours later on. If you're
> interested in taking a peek they're here:
>
> <URL:http://salottisipuli.retiisi.org.uk/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=~sailus/linux.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/leds-as3645a>

I've skimmed through the patches and I find them valuable.
Could you elaborate on the patch
"leds: Serialise access to LED framework data and drivers",
what problem does it solve?

>
> As the result the as3645a driver is quite a bit smaller than the V4L2
> sub-device one, which is a good sign. :-)
>

[1] https://github.com/lunn/linux.git 3.19-rc4-led-devel-workqueue

-- 
Best Regards,
Jacek Anaszewski

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From: Jacek Anaszewski <j.anaszewski@samsung.com>
To: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@iki.fi>
Cc: linux-leds@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	cooloney@gmail.com, rpurdie@rpsys.net,
	stsp@users.sourceforge.net, pavel@ucw.cz,
	sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com, andreas.werner@men.de,
	andrew@lunn.ch, ospite@studenti.unina.it, anemo@mba.ocn.ne.jp,
	ben@simtec.co.uk, bootc@bootc.net, dmurphy@ti.com,
	daniel.jeong@ti.com, daniel@zonque.org, davem@davemloft.net,
	fabio.baltieri@gmail.com, balbi@ti.com, florian@openwrt.org,
	gshark.jeong@gmail.com, g.liakhovetski@gmx.de,
	ingi2.kim@samsung.com, dl9pf@gmx.de, johan@kernel.org,
	lenz@cs.wisc.edu, jogo@openwrt.org, q1.kim@samsung.com,
	kris@krisk.org, kristoffer.ericson@gmail.com,
	linus.walleij@linaro.org, broonie@kernel.org,
	michael.hennerich@analog.com, milo.kim@ti.com, nm127@freemail.hu,
	ncase@xes-inc.com, neilb@suse.de, nick.forbes@incepta.com,
	lost.distance@yahoo.com, p.meerwald@bct-electronic.com,
	n0-1@freewrt.org, philippe.retornaz@epfl.ch, raph@8d.com,
	rpurdie@openedhand.com, rod@whitby.id.au, dave@sr71.net,
	giometti@linux.it, bigeasy@linutronix.de, shuahkhan@gmail.com,
	sguinot@lacie.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC v2 1/5] leds: Use set_brightness_work for brightness_set ops that can sleep
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 11:52:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5593B84B.7030806@samsung.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150630222450.GR5904@valkosipuli.retiisi.org.uk>

Hi Sakari,

On 07/01/2015 12:24 AM, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> Hi Jacek,
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 03:59:26PM +0200, Jacek Anaszewski wrote:
>> This patch rearranges the core LED subsystem code, so that it
>> now shifts the responsibility for using work queues from drivers,
>> in case their brightness_set ops can sleep, onto the LED core
>> Addition of two flags: LED_BRIGHTNESS_FAST and LED_BLINK_DISABLE
>> as well as new_brightness_value property to the struct led_classdev
>> allows for employing existing set_brightness_work to do the job.
>> The modifications allows also to get rid of brightness_set_sync op,
>> as flash LED devices can now be handled properly only basing on the
>> SET_BRIGHTNESS_SYNC flag.
>
> Nice patch! Thanks!
>
> Looks like this is the favourite topic nowadays. ;-)

Yeah, this allows to believe that we will manage to tackle the issue
finally :)

> The documentation should be improved to tell how the API is expected to be
> have, e.g. which functions may block. I think this is out of scope for this
> patch though.

Yes, I planned to cover this after the patch is accepted.

> I think all the existing drivers that implement the set_brightness()
> callback have a fast (and non-blocking) implementation, and some of these
> drivers use a work queue. In order to avoid modifying those drivers right
> now, how about adding a flag for slow devices instead? "Slow" handlers
> should be those that do at least one of the following: 1) sleep and 2) take
> excessive amount of time to run.

As Andrew Lunn mentioned, he was also working on this issue and he did
the vast majority of work [1] needed to remove work queues from existing
drivers. Only new flags would have to be added.

> How about splitting the patch as follows:
>
> - set_brightness()/set_brightness_sync() -> set_brightness() +
>    LED_BRIGHTNESS_FAST + slow handlers in a work queue,
> - add LED_BLINK_DISABLE flag,
> - fix the heartbeat trigger (it's sleeping in a timer if LED_BRIGHTNESS_SYNC
>    is set).

With my solution heartbeat trigger is not sleeping even if
LED_BRIGHTNESS_SYNC is set as all triggers use the new function -
led_set_brightness_nosleep.

> I'd propose to drop led_set_brightness_async() and just make
> led_set_brightness() asynchronous (or non-blocking if you wish) as it was
> before the LED flash class patches. Considering the nature and tradition of
> the framework, that's probably how most users want it to be. One can always
> use led_set_brightness_sync() if needed.
>
> The caller should indeed decide whether the operation is synchronous or not,
> that's not really a property of the LED. I requested that for the V4L2
> framework due to the very different use cases that are typical for the LED
> class devices.
>
> I have some patches along these lines, but I probably won't have much time
> to work on them, and I can rebase mine on yours later on. If you're
> interested in taking a peek they're here:
>
> <URL:http://salottisipuli.retiisi.org.uk/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=~sailus/linux.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/leds-as3645a>

I've skimmed through the patches and I find them valuable.
Could you elaborate on the patch
"leds: Serialise access to LED framework data and drivers",
what problem does it solve?

>
> As the result the as3645a driver is quite a bit smaller than the V4L2
> sub-device one, which is a good sign. :-)
>

[1] https://github.com/lunn/linux.git 3.19-rc4-led-devel-workqueue

-- 
Best Regards,
Jacek Anaszewski

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-01  9:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-30 13:59 [PATCH/RFC v2 1/5] leds: Use set_brightness_work for brightness_set ops that can sleep Jacek Anaszewski
2015-06-30 13:59 ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-06-30 13:59 ` [PATCH/RFC v2 2/5] leds: pwm: remove work queue Jacek Anaszewski
2015-06-30 13:59   ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-06-30 13:59 ` [PATCH/RFC v2 3/5] led: flash: remove check for brightness_set_sync op Jacek Anaszewski
2015-06-30 13:59   ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-06-30 13:59 ` [PATCH/RFC v2 4/5] leds: max77693: remove work queue Jacek Anaszewski
2015-06-30 13:59   ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-06-30 13:59 ` [PATCH/RFC v2 5/5] leds: aat1290: " Jacek Anaszewski
2015-06-30 13:59   ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-06-30 18:30 ` [PATCH/RFC v2 1/5] leds: Use set_brightness_work for brightness_set ops that can sleep Pavel Machek
2015-06-30 18:30   ` Pavel Machek
2015-06-30 22:24 ` Sakari Ailus
2015-06-30 22:24   ` Sakari Ailus
2015-07-01  9:42   ` Mark Brown
2015-07-01  9:42     ` Mark Brown
2015-07-01  9:52   ` Jacek Anaszewski [this message]
2015-07-01  9:52     ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-07-01 12:01     ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-07-01 12:01       ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-07-01 21:44       ` Sakari Ailus
2015-07-01 21:44         ` Sakari Ailus
2015-07-03 13:16         ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-07-03 13:16           ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-07-01 21:36     ` Sakari Ailus
2015-07-01 21:36       ` Sakari Ailus
2015-07-01 22:56       ` Andrew Lunn
2015-07-01 22:56         ` Andrew Lunn
2015-07-03 13:16       ` Jacek Anaszewski
2015-07-03 13:16         ` Jacek Anaszewski

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