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From: Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, axboe@kernel.dk,
	linux-mips@linux-mips.org, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org, dhowells@redhat.com,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, egtvedt@samfundet.no,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	x86@kernel.org, dwmw2@infradead.org, hskinnemoen@gmail.com,
	linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org, grundler@parisc-linux.org,
	realmz6@gmail.com, alex.williamson@redhat.com,
	linux-metag@vger.kernel.org, monstr@monstr.eu,
	linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org, vgupta@synopsys.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: RFC: prepare for struct scatterlist entries without page backing
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 18:42:32 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55CCBAE8.8090502@plexistor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150813144036.GB17375@lst.de>

On 08/13/2015 05:40 PM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 03:42:47PM +0300, Boaz Harrosh wrote:
>> The support I have suggested and submitted for zone-less sections.
>> (In my add_persistent_memory() patchset)
>>
>> Would work perfectly well and transparent for all such multimedia cases.
>> (All hacks removed). In fact I have loaded pmem (with-pages) on a VRAM
>> a few times and it is great easy fun. (I wanted to experiment with cached
>> memory over a pcie)
> 
> And everyone agree that it was both buggy and incomplete.
> 

What? No one ever said anything about bugs. Is the first ever I hear of it.
I was always in the notion that no one even tried it out.

I'm smoking these page-full nvidimms for more than a year. With RDMA to
pears and swap out to disks. So is not that bad I would say

> Dan has done a respin of the page backed nvdimm work with most of
> these comments addressed.
> 

I would love some comments. All I got so far is silence. (And I do not
like Dan's patches comments will come next week)

> I have to say I hate both pfn-based I/O [1] and page backed nvdimms with
> passion, so we're looking into the lesser evil with an open mind.
> 
> [1] not the SGL part posted here, which I think is quite sane.  The bio
>     side is much worse, though.
> 

What can I say. I like the page-backed nvdimms. And the long term for me
is 2M pages. I hope we can sit one day soon and you explain to me whats
evil about it. I would really really like to understand

Thanks though
Boaz


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Cc: torvalds@linux-foundation.org, axboe@kernel.dk,
	linux-mips@linux-mips.org, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org, dhowells@redhat.com,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, egtvedt@samfundet.no,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	x86@kernel.org, dwmw2@infradead.org, hskinnemoen@gmail.com,
	linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org, grundler@parisc-linux.org,
	realmz6@gmail.com, alex.williamson@redhat.com,
	linux-metag@vger.kernel.org, monstr@monstr.eu,
	linux-parisc@vger.kernel.org, vgupta@synopsys.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-alpha@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: RFC: prepare for struct scatterlist entries without page backing
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 15:42:32 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55CCBAE8.8090502@plexistor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150813144036.GB17375@lst.de>

On 08/13/2015 05:40 PM, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 03:42:47PM +0300, Boaz Harrosh wrote:
>> The support I have suggested and submitted for zone-less sections.
>> (In my add_persistent_memory() patchset)
>>
>> Would work perfectly well and transparent for all such multimedia cases.
>> (All hacks removed). In fact I have loaded pmem (with-pages) on a VRAM
>> a few times and it is great easy fun. (I wanted to experiment with cached
>> memory over a pcie)
> 
> And everyone agree that it was both buggy and incomplete.
> 

What? No one ever said anything about bugs. Is the first ever I hear of it.
I was always in the notion that no one even tried it out.

I'm smoking these page-full nvidimms for more than a year. With RDMA to
pears and swap out to disks. So is not that bad I would say

> Dan has done a respin of the page backed nvdimm work with most of
> these comments addressed.
> 

I would love some comments. All I got so far is silence. (And I do not
like Dan's patches comments will come next week)

> I have to say I hate both pfn-based I/O [1] and page backed nvdimms with
> passion, so we're looking into the lesser evil with an open mind.
> 
> [1] not the SGL part posted here, which I think is quite sane.  The bio
>     side is much worse, though.
> 

What can I say. I like the page-backed nvdimms. And the long term for me
is 2M pages. I hope we can sit one day soon and you explain to me whats
evil about it. I would really really like to understand

Thanks though
Boaz


  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-13 15:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-12  7:05 RFC: prepare for struct scatterlist entries without page backing Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 01/31] scatterlist: add sg_pfn and sg_has_page helpers Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 02/31] scatterlist: use sg_phys() Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 03/31] dma-debug: handle page-less SG entries Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 04/31] x86/pci-nommu: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 05/31] x86/pci-calgary: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 06/31] alpha/pci-noop: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 07/31] alpha/pci_iommu: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 08/31] c6x: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 09/31] ia64/pci_dma: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 10/31] powerpc/iommu: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 11/31] sparc/iommu: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 12/31] mn10300: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 13/31] sparc/ldc: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 14/31] sparc32/io-unit: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-14 12:03   ` Josip Rodin
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 16/31] s390: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12 11:51   ` Sebastian Ott
2015-08-12 11:51     ` Sebastian Ott
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 17/31] ia64/sba_iommu: remove sba_sg_address Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 18/31] nios2: handle page-less SG entries Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 19/31] arc: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12 10:28   ` Vineet Gupta
2015-08-12 10:28     ` Vineet Gupta
2015-08-12 10:28     ` Vineet Gupta
2015-08-12 10:28     ` Vineet Gupta
     [not found] ` <1439363150-8661-1-git-send-email-hch-jcswGhMUV9g@public.gmane.org>
2015-08-12  7:05   ` [PATCH 15/31] sparc32/iommu: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` [PATCH 20/31] avr32: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  9:36     ` Hans-Christian Egtvedt
2015-08-12  9:36       ` Hans-Christian Egtvedt
2015-08-12 12:42   ` RFC: prepare for struct scatterlist entries without page backing Boaz Harrosh
2015-08-12 12:42     ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-08-12 12:42     ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-08-12 23:37     ` Julian Calaby
2015-08-12 23:37       ` Julian Calaby
2015-08-13 14:35       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-13 14:35         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-13 14:35         ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-13 23:40         ` Julian Calaby
2015-08-13 23:40           ` Julian Calaby
2015-08-13 23:40           ` Julian Calaby
2015-08-13 14:40     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-13 14:40       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-13 15:42       ` Boaz Harrosh [this message]
2015-08-13 15:42         ` Boaz Harrosh
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 21/31] blackfin: handle page-less SG entries Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 22/31] metag: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 23/31] sh: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 24/31] xtensa: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 25/31] frv: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 26/31] openrisc: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 27/31] mips: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 28/31] powerpc: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 29/31] parisc: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12 16:01   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-12 16:01     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-12 16:01     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-12 16:01     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 14:31     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-13 14:31       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-13 14:31       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-13 14:31       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-14  3:30       ` Dan Williams
2015-08-14  3:30         ` Dan Williams
2015-08-14  3:30         ` Dan Williams
2015-08-14  3:30         ` Dan Williams
2015-08-14  3:59         ` James Bottomley
2015-08-14  3:59           ` James Bottomley
2015-08-14  3:59           ` James Bottomley
2015-08-14  3:59           ` James Bottomley
2015-08-14  4:11           ` David Miller
2015-08-14  4:11             ` David Miller
     [not found]             ` <20150813.211155.1774898831276303437.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2015-08-14 16:17               ` Dan Williams
2015-08-14 16:17                 ` Dan Williams
2015-08-14 16:17                 ` Dan Williams
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 30/31] intel-iommu: " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  9:51   ` David Woodhouse
2015-08-12  9:51     ` David Woodhouse
2015-08-12  7:05 ` [PATCH 31/31] dma-mapping-common: skip kmemleak checks for " Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12  7:05   ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12 16:05   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-12 16:05     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-12 16:05     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-12 16:05     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 14:33     ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-13 14:33       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-13 14:33       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-13 14:33       ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-08-12 16:26   ` Catalin Marinas
2015-08-12 16:26     ` Catalin Marinas
2015-08-12 16:26     ` Catalin Marinas
2015-08-12 16:26     ` Catalin Marinas
2015-08-12 16:26     ` Catalin Marinas
2015-08-12 16:26     ` Catalin Marinas
2015-08-12 17:00 ` RFC: prepare for struct scatterlist entries without page backing James Bottomley
2015-08-12 17:00   ` James Bottomley
2015-08-12 17:56   ` Grant Grundler
2015-08-12 17:56     ` Grant Grundler

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