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From: Linda Knippers <linda.knippers@hp.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>, Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@hp.com>
Cc: "linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
	Rafael J Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Robert Moore <robert.moore@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux ACPI <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2]: acpica/nfit: Rename not-armed bit definition
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 15:59:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55DE1A8E.9000303@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4ifkE4kZ3fc3qqwQwBa1QabMcZotLJm+gXALZbNKYQ3aQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/26/2015 1:16 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@hp.com> wrote:
>> ACPI 6.0 NFIT Memory Device State Flags in Table 5-129 defines
>> bit 3 as follows.
>>
>>   Bit [3] set to 1 to indicate that the Memory Device is observed
>>   to be not armed prior to OSPM hand off. A Memory Device is
>>   considered armed if it is able to accept persistent writes.
>>
>> This bit is currently defined as ACPI_NFIT_MEM_ARMED, which can be
>> confusing as if the Memory Device is armed when this bit is set.
>>
>> Change the name to ACPI_NFIT_MEM_NOT_ARMED per the spec.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@hp.com>
>> Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
>> Cc: Bob Moore <robert.moore@intel.com>
>> Cc: Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>
>> ---
>>  drivers/acpi/nfit.c              |    6 +++---
>>  drivers/acpi/nfit.h              |    2 +-
>>  include/acpi/actbl1.h            |    2 +-
> 
> This file "include/acpi/actbl1.h" is owned by the ACPICA project so
> any changes need to come through them.  But that said, I'm not sure we
> need friendly names at this level.
> 
> What I usually say about sysfs name changes to be more human friendly
> is "sysfs is not a UI", i.e. it's not necessarily meant to be user
> friendly.  As long as the names for the flags are distinct then
> wrapping descriptive / accurate names around them is the role of
> libndctl and userspace management software.

I think there's a difference between unfriendly and misleading or confusing.
If names didn't matter at all we could just call them bit0, bit1, bit2,...

> Similar feedback for patch1 in the sense that I don't think we need to
> update the sysfs naming.  For example the API to retrieve the state of
> the "arm" flag in libndctl is ndctl_dimm_failed_arm().

It would be so nice for scripts and humans if the sysfs names made as
much sense.

-- ljk

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> Linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org
> https://lists.01.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-nvdimm
> 


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From: Linda Knippers <linda.knippers@hp.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>, Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@hp.com>
Cc: "linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>,
	Rafael J Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Robert Moore <robert.moore@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux ACPI <linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2]: acpica/nfit: Rename not-armed bit definition
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 15:59:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55DE1A8E.9000303@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4ifkE4kZ3fc3qqwQwBa1QabMcZotLJm+gXALZbNKYQ3aQ@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/26/2015 1:16 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@hp.com> wrote:
>> ACPI 6.0 NFIT Memory Device State Flags in Table 5-129 defines
>> bit 3 as follows.
>>
>>   Bit [3] set to 1 to indicate that the Memory Device is observed
>>   to be not armed prior to OSPM hand off. A Memory Device is
>>   considered armed if it is able to accept persistent writes.
>>
>> This bit is currently defined as ACPI_NFIT_MEM_ARMED, which can be
>> confusing as if the Memory Device is armed when this bit is set.
>>
>> Change the name to ACPI_NFIT_MEM_NOT_ARMED per the spec.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Toshi Kani <toshi.kani@hp.com>
>> Cc: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
>> Cc: Bob Moore <robert.moore@intel.com>
>> Cc: Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>
>> ---
>>  drivers/acpi/nfit.c              |    6 +++---
>>  drivers/acpi/nfit.h              |    2 +-
>>  include/acpi/actbl1.h            |    2 +-
> 
> This file "include/acpi/actbl1.h" is owned by the ACPICA project so
> any changes need to come through them.  But that said, I'm not sure we
> need friendly names at this level.
> 
> What I usually say about sysfs name changes to be more human friendly
> is "sysfs is not a UI", i.e. it's not necessarily meant to be user
> friendly.  As long as the names for the flags are distinct then
> wrapping descriptive / accurate names around them is the role of
> libndctl and userspace management software.

I think there's a difference between unfriendly and misleading or confusing.
If names didn't matter at all we could just call them bit0, bit1, bit2,...

> Similar feedback for patch1 in the sense that I don't think we need to
> update the sysfs naming.  For example the API to retrieve the state of
> the "arm" flag in libndctl is ndctl_dimm_failed_arm().

It would be so nice for scripts and humans if the sysfs names made as
much sense.

-- ljk

> _______________________________________________
> Linux-nvdimm mailing list
> Linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org
> https://lists.01.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-nvdimm
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-26 19:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-26 16:20 [PATCH 0/2]: acpi, nfit: Clarify memory device state flags Toshi Kani
2015-08-26 16:20 ` Toshi Kani
2015-08-26 16:20 ` [PATCH 1/2]: nfit: Clarify memory device state flags strings Toshi Kani
2015-08-26 16:20   ` Toshi Kani
2015-08-27  3:07   ` Ross Zwisler
2015-08-27  3:07     ` Ross Zwisler
2015-08-27 14:18     ` Toshi Kani
2015-08-27 14:18       ` Toshi Kani
2015-08-27 18:57   ` Dan Williams
2015-08-27 18:57     ` Dan Williams
2015-08-27 19:02     ` Toshi Kani
2015-08-27 19:02       ` Toshi Kani
2015-08-26 16:20 ` [PATCH 2/2]: acpica/nfit: Rename not-armed bit definition Toshi Kani
2015-08-26 16:20   ` Toshi Kani
2015-08-26 17:16   ` Dan Williams
2015-08-26 17:16     ` Dan Williams
2015-08-26 19:59     ` Linda Knippers [this message]
2015-08-26 19:59       ` Linda Knippers
2015-08-26 21:12     ` Toshi Kani
2015-08-26 21:12       ` Toshi Kani
2015-08-26 21:30       ` Dan Williams
2015-08-26 21:30         ` Dan Williams
2015-08-26 21:44         ` Toshi Kani
2015-08-26 21:44           ` Toshi Kani
2015-08-26 22:00           ` Dan Williams
2015-08-26 22:00             ` Dan Williams
2015-08-27 14:43             ` Linda Knippers
2015-08-27 14:43               ` Linda Knippers
2015-08-27 15:30               ` Dan Williams
2015-08-27 15:30                 ` Dan Williams
2015-08-27 15:35                 ` Linda Knippers
2015-08-27 15:35                   ` Linda Knippers
2015-08-27 15:54                   ` Dan Williams
2015-08-27 15:54                     ` Dan Williams
2015-08-27 16:32                     ` Linda Knippers
2015-08-27 16:32                       ` Linda Knippers
2015-08-27 17:04                       ` Dan Williams
2015-08-27 17:04                         ` Dan Williams
2015-08-27 17:09                         ` Linda Knippers
2015-08-27 17:09                           ` Linda Knippers
2015-08-26 23:16       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-08-26 23:16         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-08-26 23:29         ` Toshi Kani
2015-08-26 23:29           ` Toshi Kani
2015-08-26 23:35           ` Toshi Kani
2015-08-26 23:35             ` Toshi Kani
2015-08-27  1:56             ` Moore, Robert
2015-08-27  1:56               ` Moore, Robert
2015-08-27 14:32               ` Toshi Kani
2015-08-27 14:32                 ` Toshi Kani
2015-08-27 14:32                 ` Toshi Kani

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