From: Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru>
To: Raymond Jennings <shentino@gmail.com>,
Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@gmail.com>
Cc: Chuck Ebbert <cebbert.lkml@gmail.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
Josh Boyer <jwboyer@fedoraproject.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Andrew Bird (Sphere Systems)" <ajb@spheresystems.co.uk>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and default it to 'n')
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2015 02:18:59 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <55EA26E3.4030202@list.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55EA1F4E.9090403@gmail.com>
05.09.2015 01:46, Raymond Jennings пишет:
> On 09/04/15 14:30, Stas Sergeev wrote:
>> 05.09.2015 00:16, Stas Sergeev пишет:
>>> I agree. vm86() is a mess.
>>> My point is that its risky parts and useless funtionality
>>> is _already_ known (even I can point to the particular code
>>> parts than can simply be removed). As such, it simply had
>>> to be re-visited and cleaned up to match at least 1 and 3
>>> (and then maybe 5). This wasn't done, and the knob was
>>> introduced _instead_ of doing this.
>> Grr, I mean it was disabled by default instead of doing this,
>> and the knob was only proposed, not added.
>
> You can't just pull vm86 out of the kernel anyway. dosemu is a
> userspace application that depends on it, so pulling this feature out
> would be a big fat regression, period.
>
> I would personally rather not hear about how "it's a legacy program so
> its userbase is shrinking" used as any sort of excuse to ignore the
> fact that we shouldn't break userspace.
>
> I can even say as a user that vm86 is important to me.
>
> By all means, cleaning up vm86 is a good idea. But removing it or
> fencing it off with a strong deprecation doesn't sound like the right
> idea.
Yes, that's what I was saying lengthy.
Fencing it off may help those who does not use it,
and that's what most people here worry about.
BUT it will also do a big harm to those who uses it,
unless done properly like for modify_ldt(), or *sigh*
just with mmap_min_addr.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-09-04 23:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-09-02 9:37 stop breaking dosemu (Re: x86/kconfig/32: Rename CONFIG_VM86 and default it to 'n') Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 14:08 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 15:31 ` Kees Cook
2015-09-02 17:30 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 17:46 ` Josh Boyer
2015-09-02 17:50 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 20:22 ` Josh Boyer
2015-09-02 20:47 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 20:55 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 20:59 ` Josh Boyer
2015-09-02 21:12 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 21:40 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 21:53 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-03 12:11 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-09-03 12:15 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-03 15:44 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-09-03 16:34 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-03 18:51 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-09-03 21:28 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-04 10:09 ` Chuck Ebbert
2015-09-04 10:46 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-04 12:34 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-09-04 13:06 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-04 19:51 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-09-04 21:16 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-04 21:30 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-04 22:46 ` Raymond Jennings
2015-09-04 23:18 ` Stas Sergeev [this message]
2015-09-03 22:39 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-03 16:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-09-03 17:19 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-03 17:21 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-03 17:34 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-03 17:13 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-03 12:01 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-09-03 12:09 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 17:52 ` Kees Cook
2015-09-02 20:25 ` Josh Boyer
2015-09-02 18:19 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 20:26 ` Josh Boyer
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