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From: Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com>
To: Jaehoon Chung <jh80.chung@samsung.com>,
	Doug Anderson <dianders@chromium.org>
Cc: Ulf Hansson <ulf.hansson@linaro.org>,
	Chris Ball <chris@printf.net>,
	Arend van Spriel <arend@broadcom.com>,
	Maxime Ripard <maxime.ripard@free-electrons.com>,
	linux-mmc <linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org"
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Alim Akhtar <alim.akhtar@samsung.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] mmc: Wait for card_busy before starting sdio requests
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:06:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56051C8E.60602@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56051ABA.2050105@samsung.com>

Hi,

On 25-09-15 11:58, Jaehoon Chung wrote:
> On 09/25/2015 06:41 PM, Hans de Goede wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 25-09-15 11:37, Jaehoon Chung wrote:
>>> Hi, Hans.
>>>
>>> On 09/25/2015 04:53 PM, Hans de Goede wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On 24-09-15 18:04, Doug Anderson wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23-09-15 23:43, Ulf Hansson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 22 September 2015 at 17:30, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Ulf,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is a non RFC version of my patch-set to wait for card_busy before
>>>>>>>> starting sdio requests. It is the same as the RFC version of the set,
>>>>>>>> but this time it has been tested no hardware which actually needs this
>>>>>>>> and I can confirm now that this fixes wifi on that hardware.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great! Thanks, applied for next!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great, thanks, I guess it is too late for this to go as a fix into
>>>>>> 4.3-rcX (no worries if it is) ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This patch-set should also allow removing this dw_mmc specific fix:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/mmc/host/dw_mmc.c?id=0bdbd0e88cf6b603a2196418672715b0890fb040
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As this patch-set fixes this problem in a generic manner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Care to send a patch to remove the above hack/fix?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not have any hardware to test this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've added Doug the original author of that patch to the Cc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dough, can you test if with the patch set from this mail thread
>>>>>> (merged into mmc/next) this patch:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/mmc/host/dw_mmc.c?id=0bdbd0e88cf6b603a2196418672715b0890fb040
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is still necessary ? Since this patch-set fixes the same issue
>>>>>> in the mmc core I believe that this commit can be reverted now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll try to find some time in the next few days to test, but I'm not
>>>>> terribly hopeful we can just revert the patch because:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Only one of the two callers of dw_mci_wait_while_busy() is handled
>>>>> by your patch.  mci_send_cmd() is used internally in dw_mmc to throw
>>>>> something in the CMD register without going through the normal MMC
>>>>> path.  This is used exclusively to update the clock registers in
>>>>> dw_mmc.  I'm pretty sure this needs the wait, too.  It's always seemed
>>>>> weird / awkward to me that you need to use the CMD register to update
>>>>> clock settings in dw_mmc, but c'est la vie.
>>>>
>>>> I would not expect the card to signal busy when trying to change clocks
>>>> though, so I do not think this will really be a problem.
>>>
>>> No. It shouldn't be occurred any problem.
>>> But according to designware TRM, it needs to check whether card is busy or not, before updating clock.
>>> I think even if problem will not occur, it doesn't mean this code is useless.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2. If I remember correctly, we ran into other instances where non-SDIO
>>>>> cards needed the busy check.  It wasn't terribly common, but I think I
>>>>> ran into this when stress testing, but only on a few cards.
>>>>
>>>> Hmm, that would be a problem yes.
>>>>
>>>>> The patch referenced here only seems to check for SDIO commands.  As I
>>>>> understand it, to be correct, it should check for all data commands
>>>>> (other than stop or voltage change commands).
>>>>
>>>> But that is not what the patch does, it actually waits for all commands,
>>>> including non data commands. An earlier attempt of mine to fix the sdio
>>>> wifi issues with the sunxi driver copied your approach, and I actually
>>>> got reports of regressions with using normal micro-sd memory cards
>>>> from several people testing that patch.
>>>
>>> I can't see any problem reported at mailing list.
>>> Could you share more information what regressions issue?
>>
>> IIRC people where hitting the timeout in the code to wait for the card-busy.
>>
>> Now that I think about this, this may have been caused by waiting
>> for card-busy while sending a stop.
>
> I understood what problem you said.
> Well, but i don't accept your opinion yet.
> Is that case reproduced with dwmmc controller? otherwise...sunxi driver?
> (It seems that you mentioned the case of sunxi driver.)

I was talking about the sunxi driver only. A few weeks back I did a
patch for the sunxi driver which copied the dw-mmc fix, and some users
testing that saw issues accessing certain micro-sd memory cards.

Regards,

Hans

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: hdegoede@redhat.com (Hans de Goede)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 0/3] mmc: Wait for card_busy before starting sdio requests
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 12:06:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56051C8E.60602@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56051ABA.2050105@samsung.com>

Hi,

On 25-09-15 11:58, Jaehoon Chung wrote:
> On 09/25/2015 06:41 PM, Hans de Goede wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 25-09-15 11:37, Jaehoon Chung wrote:
>>> Hi, Hans.
>>>
>>> On 09/25/2015 04:53 PM, Hans de Goede wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On 24-09-15 18:04, Doug Anderson wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 2:19 AM, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23-09-15 23:43, Ulf Hansson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 22 September 2015 at 17:30, Hans de Goede <hdegoede@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Ulf,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is a non RFC version of my patch-set to wait for card_busy before
>>>>>>>> starting sdio requests. It is the same as the RFC version of the set,
>>>>>>>> but this time it has been tested no hardware which actually needs this
>>>>>>>> and I can confirm now that this fixes wifi on that hardware.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great! Thanks, applied for next!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Great, thanks, I guess it is too late for this to go as a fix into
>>>>>> 4.3-rcX (no worries if it is) ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This patch-set should also allow removing this dw_mmc specific fix:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/mmc/host/dw_mmc.c?id=0bdbd0e88cf6b603a2196418672715b0890fb040
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As this patch-set fixes this problem in a generic manner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Care to send a patch to remove the above hack/fix?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not have any hardware to test this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've added Doug the original author of that patch to the Cc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dough, can you test if with the patch set from this mail thread
>>>>>> (merged into mmc/next) this patch:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/drivers/mmc/host/dw_mmc.c?id=0bdbd0e88cf6b603a2196418672715b0890fb040
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is still necessary ? Since this patch-set fixes the same issue
>>>>>> in the mmc core I believe that this commit can be reverted now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll try to find some time in the next few days to test, but I'm not
>>>>> terribly hopeful we can just revert the patch because:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Only one of the two callers of dw_mci_wait_while_busy() is handled
>>>>> by your patch.  mci_send_cmd() is used internally in dw_mmc to throw
>>>>> something in the CMD register without going through the normal MMC
>>>>> path.  This is used exclusively to update the clock registers in
>>>>> dw_mmc.  I'm pretty sure this needs the wait, too.  It's always seemed
>>>>> weird / awkward to me that you need to use the CMD register to update
>>>>> clock settings in dw_mmc, but c'est la vie.
>>>>
>>>> I would not expect the card to signal busy when trying to change clocks
>>>> though, so I do not think this will really be a problem.
>>>
>>> No. It shouldn't be occurred any problem.
>>> But according to designware TRM, it needs to check whether card is busy or not, before updating clock.
>>> I think even if problem will not occur, it doesn't mean this code is useless.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 2. If I remember correctly, we ran into other instances where non-SDIO
>>>>> cards needed the busy check.  It wasn't terribly common, but I think I
>>>>> ran into this when stress testing, but only on a few cards.
>>>>
>>>> Hmm, that would be a problem yes.
>>>>
>>>>> The patch referenced here only seems to check for SDIO commands.  As I
>>>>> understand it, to be correct, it should check for all data commands
>>>>> (other than stop or voltage change commands).
>>>>
>>>> But that is not what the patch does, it actually waits for all commands,
>>>> including non data commands. An earlier attempt of mine to fix the sdio
>>>> wifi issues with the sunxi driver copied your approach, and I actually
>>>> got reports of regressions with using normal micro-sd memory cards
>>>> from several people testing that patch.
>>>
>>> I can't see any problem reported at mailing list.
>>> Could you share more information what regressions issue?
>>
>> IIRC people where hitting the timeout in the code to wait for the card-busy.
>>
>> Now that I think about this, this may have been caused by waiting
>> for card-busy while sending a stop.
>
> I understood what problem you said.
> Well, but i don't accept your opinion yet.
> Is that case reproduced with dwmmc controller? otherwise...sunxi driver?
> (It seems that you mentioned the case of sunxi driver.)

I was talking about the sunxi driver only. A few weeks back I did a
patch for the sunxi driver which copied the dw-mmc fix, and some users
testing that saw issues accessing certain micro-sd memory cards.

Regards,

Hans

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-25 10:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-09-22 15:30 [PATCH 0/3] mmc: Wait for card_busy before starting sdio requests Hans de Goede
2015-09-22 15:30 ` Hans de Goede
2015-09-22 15:30 ` [PATCH 1/3] mmc: Add mmc_is_io_op helper function Hans de Goede
2015-09-22 15:30   ` Hans de Goede
2015-09-22 15:30 ` [PATCH 2/3] mmc: Wait for card_busy before starting sdio requests Hans de Goede
2015-09-22 15:30   ` Hans de Goede
2015-09-22 15:30 ` [PATCH 3/3] mmc: sunxi: Add card busy detection Hans de Goede
2015-09-22 15:30   ` Hans de Goede
2015-09-23 21:43 ` [PATCH 0/3] mmc: Wait for card_busy before starting sdio requests Ulf Hansson
2015-09-23 21:43   ` Ulf Hansson
2015-09-24  9:19   ` Hans de Goede
2015-09-24  9:19     ` Hans de Goede
2015-09-24 11:18     ` Arend van Spriel
2015-09-24 11:18       ` Arend van Spriel
2015-09-24 16:04     ` Doug Anderson
2015-09-24 16:04       ` Doug Anderson
2015-09-25  5:35       ` Jaehoon Chung
2015-09-25  5:35         ` Jaehoon Chung
2015-09-25  7:53       ` Hans de Goede
2015-09-25  7:53         ` Hans de Goede
2015-09-25  9:37         ` Jaehoon Chung
2015-09-25  9:37           ` Jaehoon Chung
2015-09-25  9:41           ` Hans de Goede
2015-09-25  9:41             ` Hans de Goede
2015-09-25  9:58             ` Jaehoon Chung
2015-09-25  9:58               ` Jaehoon Chung
2015-09-25 10:06               ` Hans de Goede [this message]
2015-09-25 10:06                 ` Hans de Goede
2015-09-25 10:23                 ` Jaehoon Chung
2015-09-25 10:23                   ` Jaehoon Chung
2015-09-25 16:14         ` Doug Anderson
2015-09-25 16:14           ` Doug Anderson
2015-09-29 12:58           ` Hans de Goede
2015-09-29 12:58             ` Hans de Goede
2015-09-29 17:38             ` Doug Anderson
2015-09-29 17:38               ` Doug Anderson

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