From: Boris Ostrovsky <boris.ostrovsky@oracle.com>
To: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
Haozhong Zhang <haozhong.zhang@intel.com>
Cc: Kevin Tian <kevin.tian@intel.com>, Keir Fraser <keir@xen.org>,
Suravee Suthikulpanit <suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com>,
Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
xen-devel@lists.xen.org,
Aravind Gopalakrishnan <Aravind.Gopalakrishnan@amd.com>,
Jun Nakajima <jun.nakajima@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/13] x86/time.c: Use system time to calculate elapsed_nsec in tsc_get_info()
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 11:56:56 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5617E3C8.60701@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5617EEC102000078000A9C68@prv-mh.provo.novell.com>
On 10/09/2015 10:43 AM, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>> On 09.10.15 at 16:35, <haozhong.zhang@intel.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 12:51:32AM -0600, Jan Beulich wrote:
>>>>>> On 28.09.15 at 09:13, <haozhong.zhang@intel.com> wrote:
>>>> When the TSC mode of a domain is TSC_MODE_DEFAULT and no TSC emulation
>>>> is used, the existing tsc_get_info() calculates elapsed_nsec by scaling
>>>> the host TSC with a ratio between guest TSC rate and
>>>> nanoseconds. However, the result will be incorrect if the guest TSC rate
>>>> differs from the host TSC rate. This patch fixes this problem by using
>>>> the system time as elapsed_nsec.
>>> For both this and patch 2, while at a first glance (and taking into
>>> account just the visible patch context) what you say seems to
>>> make sense, the explanation is far from sufficient namely when
>>> looking at the function as a whole. For one, effects on existing
>>> cases need to be explicitly described, in particular why SVM's TSC
>>> ratio code works without that change (or whether it has been
>>> broken all along, in which case these would become backporting
>>> candidates; input from SVM maintainers would be appreciated
>>> too). That may in particular mean being more specific about
>>> what is actually wrong with scaling the host TSC here (i.e. in
>>> which way both results differ), when supposedly that matches
>>> what the hardware does when TSC ratio is supported.
>>>
>>> Then a reason needs to be given why the similar logic in the
>>> PVRDTSCP case does not also get adjusted.
>>>
>>> Plus, looking at the respective code in tsc_set_info(), I'm
>>> getting the impression that what you're trying to do is not in line
>>> with what is intended so far: Especially the comment there
>>> suggests that the intention is for the guest TSC to be made
>>> match the host one. Considering migration this indeed looks
>>> suspicious, but then that would need changing too.
>>>
>> Do you mean the following comment?
>> /*
>> * In default mode use native TSC if the host has safe TSC and:
>> * HVM/PVH: host and guest frequencies are the same (either
>> * "naturally" or via TSC scaling)
>> * PV: guest has not migrated yet (and thus arch.tsc_khz == cpu_khz)
>> */
>>
>> To my understanding,
>>
>> 1. "naturally" responds to the case that a domain is
>> newly created (rather than being migrated from other machine) so that
>> its TSC frequency (d->arch.tsc_khz) is identical to the host TSC
>> frequency (cpu_khz).
>>
>> 2. "via TSC scaling" means the case that the domain is migrated from
>> another machine of different host TSC rate so that d->arch.tsc_khz
>> != cpu_khz. In this case the guest still reads the (host) TSC
>> natively, but SVM TSC ratio makes sure that TSC value is a scaled
>> host TSC. This point can be confirmed by svm_tsc_ratio_load() which
>> sets MSR_AMD64_TSC_RATIO to d->arch.tsc_khz/cpu_khz.
> I.e. they are _not_ the same (unless the quotient happens to be 1,
> in which case scaling wouldn't be necessary in the first place). I.e.
> imo the comment would need to be
>
> /*
> * In default mode use native TSC if the host has safe TSC and:
> * HVM/PVH: host and guest frequencies are the same or TSC
> * scaling is in use
Yes, that's what I meant to say. I was referring to "virtual" frequency.
-boris
> * PV: guest has not migrated yet (and thus arch.tsc_khz == cpu_khz)
> */
>
> Jan
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-10-09 15:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-09-28 7:13 [PATCH 00/13] Add VMX TSC scaling support Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-28 7:13 ` [PATCH 01/13] x86/time.c: Use system time to calculate elapsed_nsec in tsc_get_info() Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-09 6:51 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-09 13:41 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-10-09 14:00 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-09 15:11 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-09 16:09 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-10-09 16:19 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-09 16:31 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-10-09 16:51 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-09 18:59 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-10-09 14:39 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-09 15:37 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-10-09 16:39 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-09 16:44 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-10-09 14:35 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-09 14:43 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-09 15:56 ` Boris Ostrovsky [this message]
2015-10-14 2:45 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-14 9:40 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-14 10:00 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-14 10:20 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-14 10:24 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-28 7:13 ` [PATCH 02/13] x86/time.c: Get the correct guest TSC rate " Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-28 7:13 ` [PATCH 03/13] x86/hvm: Collect information of TSC scaling ratio Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-22 12:53 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-22 14:40 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-22 14:51 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-22 15:57 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-28 7:13 ` [PATCH 04/13] x86/hvm: Setup " Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-22 13:13 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-22 15:55 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-22 16:05 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-22 16:39 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-23 7:44 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-23 7:59 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-23 8:18 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-23 8:31 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-23 8:40 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-23 9:18 ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-28 7:13 ` [PATCH 05/13] x86/hvm: Replace architecture TSC scaling by a common function Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-22 13:52 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-23 0:49 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-28 7:13 ` [PATCH 06/13] x86/hvm: Scale host TSC when setting/getting guest TSC Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-22 14:17 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-22 15:44 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-10-22 16:23 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-27 20:16 ` Aravind Gopalakrishnan
2015-10-28 1:51 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-11-09 7:43 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-11-12 13:50 ` George Dunlap
2015-10-22 16:03 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-27 1:54 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-27 8:15 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-27 8:25 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-27 8:44 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-27 13:10 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-10-27 13:55 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-10-27 16:13 ` haozhong.zhang
2015-10-27 16:13 ` haozhong.zhang
2015-09-28 7:13 ` [PATCH 07/13] x86/hvm: Move saving/loading vcpu's TSC to common code Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-22 14:54 ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-28 7:13 ` [PATCH 08/13] x86/hvm: Detect TSC scaling through hvm_funcs in tsc_set_info() Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-22 15:01 ` Jan Beulich
2015-09-28 7:13 ` [PATCH 09/13] x86/time.c: Scale host TSC in pvclock properly Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-28 16:36 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-09-29 0:19 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-22 15:50 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-10-22 16:44 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-22 19:15 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-09-28 7:13 ` [PATCH 10/13] vmx: Detect and initialize VMX RDTSC(P) scaling Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-27 13:19 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-27 16:17 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-28 7:13 ` [PATCH 11/13] vmx: Use scaled host TSC to calculate TSC offset Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-22 15:55 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-10-22 17:12 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-22 19:19 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-10-23 0:52 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-27 13:29 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-27 16:21 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-28 7:13 ` [PATCH 12/13] vmx: Add a call-back to apply TSC scaling ratio to hardware Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-28 16:02 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-09-29 1:07 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-29 9:33 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-09-29 10:02 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-29 10:25 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-09-29 13:59 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-10-27 13:33 ` Jan Beulich
2015-10-28 2:41 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-28 7:13 ` [PATCH 13/13] tools/libxl: Add 'vtsc_khz' option to set guest TSC rate Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-28 11:47 ` Julien Grall
2015-09-28 12:11 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-28 14:19 ` Wei Liu
2015-09-29 0:40 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-29 9:20 ` Wei Liu
2015-09-29 9:50 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-29 10:24 ` Julien Grall
2015-09-29 10:07 ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-29 10:33 ` Wei Liu
2015-09-29 12:57 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-29 10:04 ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-29 10:13 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-29 10:24 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-09-29 10:28 ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-29 10:31 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-09-29 13:53 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-29 13:56 ` Andrew Cooper
2015-09-29 14:01 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-29 14:37 ` Ian Campbell
2015-09-29 15:16 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-09-28 10:51 ` [PATCH 00/13] Add VMX TSC scaling support Andrew Cooper
2015-09-28 13:48 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-11-22 17:54 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-11-23 15:37 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-11-24 13:05 ` Haozhong Zhang
2015-11-24 14:19 ` Boris Ostrovsky
2015-11-24 14:25 ` Haozhong Zhang
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