From: Greg Ungerer <gerg@uclinux.org>
To: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
Cc: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org,
Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>,
Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Oleg Endo <oleg.endo@t-online.de>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] fs/binfmt_elf_fdpic.c: provide NOMMU loader for regular ELF binaries
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:09:30 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <561F0ADA.40504@uclinux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151013154940.GR8645@brightrain.aerifal.cx>
Hi Rich,
On 14/10/15 01:49, Rich Felker wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:55:45PM +1000, Greg Ungerer wrote:
>> Hi Rich,
>>
>> On 09/10/15 02:38, Rich Felker wrote:
>>> From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
>>>
>>> The ELF binary loader in binfmt_elf.c requires an MMU, making it
>>> impossible to use regular ELF binaries on NOMMU archs. However, the
>>> FDPIC ELF loader in binfmt_elf_fdpic.c is fully capable as a loader
>>> for plain ELF, which requires constant displacements between LOAD
>>> segments, since it already supports FDPIC ELF files flagged as needing
>>> constant displacement.
>>>
>>> This patch adjusts the FDPIC ELF loader to accept non-FDPIC ELF files
>>> on NOMMU archs. They are treated identically to FDPIC ELF files with
>>> the constant-displacement flag bit set, except for personality, which
>>> must match the ABI of the program being loaded; the PER_LINUX_FDPIC
>>> personality controls how the kernel interprets function pointers
>>> passed to sigaction.
>>>
>>> Files that do not set a stack size requirement explicitly are given a
>>> default stack size (matching the amount of committed stack the normal
>>> ELF loader for MMU archs would give them) rather than being rejected;
>>> this is necessary because plain ELF files generally do not declare
>>> stack requirements in theit program headers.
>>>
>>> Only ET_DYN (PIE) format ELF files are supported, since loading at a
>>> fixed virtual address is not possible on NOMMU.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
>>
>> I have no problem with this, so from me:
>>
>> Acked-by: Greg Ungerer <gerg@uclinux.org>
>
> Thanks!
>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> This patch was developed and tested on J2 (SH2-compatible) but should
>>> be usable immediately on all archs where binfmt_elf_fdpic is
>>> available. Moreover, by providing dummy definitions of the
>>> elf_check_fdpic() and elf_check_const_displacement() macros for archs
>>> which lack an FDPIC ABI, it should be possible to enable building of
>>> binfmt_elf_fdpic on all other NOMMU archs and thereby give them ELF
>>> binary support, but I have not yet tested this.
>>
>> There is a couple of other details that will currently stop this from
>> working on other arches too.
>>
>> .. kernel/ptrace.c has some fdpic specific code (wanting PTRACE_GETFDPIC)
>> .. arch specific mm_context_t may not have members
>> ‘interp_fdpic_loadmap' or 'exec_fdpic_loadmap'
>>
>> Should be easy to fix those.
>
> I see. For archs that lack an FDPIC ABI, I'm not sure it makes sense
> to add these things unless/until someone developes an FDPIC ABI. Would
Ok. I was looking at it from the point of view of supoporting ELF
on m68k/coldfire, that doesn't currently support FDPIC. So bypassing
FDPIC support completely.
> it instead make sense to add a new kconfig switch
> CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF_NOMMU ("NOMMU ELF loader") that's implied-on by
> CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF_FDPIC but that can also be enabled independently on
> archs where CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF_FDPIC is not available?
Yes that may be the only answer here.
> Right now these are just ideas. Unless there's a quick and easy
> decision to be made, I'd like it if we could move forward with the
> current patch (which only offers the feature on archs where
> CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF_FDPIC is already available) first and continue to
> explore options for making this available to other archs separately.
Oh, yes. No problem with that. Looks like Andrew has picked it
up. So all good there.
>> It would be good to get some testing and verification on other
>> fdpic supported arches (frv or blackfin or microblaze for example).
>
> I wasn't aware Microblaze had an FDPIC ABI; are you sure it does?
Sorry, my mistake. No microblaze FDPIC as far as I know.
Regards
Greg
> Testing to make sure these aren't broken by the patch shouldn't be
> hard to do; I'll start looking into getting a setup for it or finding
> someone who has one. If you want to also test non-FDPIC ELF binaries,
> I think just using the ELF output of a bFLT toolchain without running
> elf2flt may work as a test case, but I'm not sure. Alternatively, any
> FDPIC binary linked with -pie that doesn't use signals can run as a
> non-FDPIC one just by clearing the FDPIC bit in the header.
>
> Rich
>
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From: Greg Ungerer <gerg@uclinux.org>
To: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
Cc: linux-embedded@vger.kernel.org,
Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>,
Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Oleg Endo <oleg.endo@t-online.de>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] fs/binfmt_elf_fdpic.c: provide NOMMU loader for regular ELF binaries
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:09:30 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <561F0ADA.40504@uclinux.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151013154940.GR8645@brightrain.aerifal.cx>
Hi Rich,
On 14/10/15 01:49, Rich Felker wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 10:55:45PM +1000, Greg Ungerer wrote:
>> Hi Rich,
>>
>> On 09/10/15 02:38, Rich Felker wrote:
>>> From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
>>>
>>> The ELF binary loader in binfmt_elf.c requires an MMU, making it
>>> impossible to use regular ELF binaries on NOMMU archs. However, the
>>> FDPIC ELF loader in binfmt_elf_fdpic.c is fully capable as a loader
>>> for plain ELF, which requires constant displacements between LOAD
>>> segments, since it already supports FDPIC ELF files flagged as needing
>>> constant displacement.
>>>
>>> This patch adjusts the FDPIC ELF loader to accept non-FDPIC ELF files
>>> on NOMMU archs. They are treated identically to FDPIC ELF files with
>>> the constant-displacement flag bit set, except for personality, which
>>> must match the ABI of the program being loaded; the PER_LINUX_FDPIC
>>> personality controls how the kernel interprets function pointers
>>> passed to sigaction.
>>>
>>> Files that do not set a stack size requirement explicitly are given a
>>> default stack size (matching the amount of committed stack the normal
>>> ELF loader for MMU archs would give them) rather than being rejected;
>>> this is necessary because plain ELF files generally do not declare
>>> stack requirements in theit program headers.
>>>
>>> Only ET_DYN (PIE) format ELF files are supported, since loading at a
>>> fixed virtual address is not possible on NOMMU.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
>>
>> I have no problem with this, so from me:
>>
>> Acked-by: Greg Ungerer <gerg@uclinux.org>
>
> Thanks!
>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> This patch was developed and tested on J2 (SH2-compatible) but should
>>> be usable immediately on all archs where binfmt_elf_fdpic is
>>> available. Moreover, by providing dummy definitions of the
>>> elf_check_fdpic() and elf_check_const_displacement() macros for archs
>>> which lack an FDPIC ABI, it should be possible to enable building of
>>> binfmt_elf_fdpic on all other NOMMU archs and thereby give them ELF
>>> binary support, but I have not yet tested this.
>>
>> There is a couple of other details that will currently stop this from
>> working on other arches too.
>>
>> .. kernel/ptrace.c has some fdpic specific code (wanting PTRACE_GETFDPIC)
>> .. arch specific mm_context_t may not have members
>> ‘interp_fdpic_loadmap' or 'exec_fdpic_loadmap'
>>
>> Should be easy to fix those.
>
> I see. For archs that lack an FDPIC ABI, I'm not sure it makes sense
> to add these things unless/until someone developes an FDPIC ABI. Would
Ok. I was looking at it from the point of view of supoporting ELF
on m68k/coldfire, that doesn't currently support FDPIC. So bypassing
FDPIC support completely.
> it instead make sense to add a new kconfig switch
> CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF_NOMMU ("NOMMU ELF loader") that's implied-on by
> CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF_FDPIC but that can also be enabled independently on
> archs where CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF_FDPIC is not available?
Yes that may be the only answer here.
> Right now these are just ideas. Unless there's a quick and easy
> decision to be made, I'd like it if we could move forward with the
> current patch (which only offers the feature on archs where
> CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF_FDPIC is already available) first and continue to
> explore options for making this available to other archs separately.
Oh, yes. No problem with that. Looks like Andrew has picked it
up. So all good there.
>> It would be good to get some testing and verification on other
>> fdpic supported arches (frv or blackfin or microblaze for example).
>
> I wasn't aware Microblaze had an FDPIC ABI; are you sure it does?
Sorry, my mistake. No microblaze FDPIC as far as I know.
Regards
Greg
> Testing to make sure these aren't broken by the patch shouldn't be
> hard to do; I'll start looking into getting a setup for it or finding
> someone who has one. If you want to also test non-FDPIC ELF binaries,
> I think just using the ELF output of a bFLT toolchain without running
> elf2flt may work as a test case, but I'm not sure. Alternatively, any
> FDPIC binary linked with -pie that doesn't use signals can run as a
> non-FDPIC one just by clearing the FDPIC bit in the header.
>
> Rich
>
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Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-10-08 16:38 [PATCH v2] fs/binfmt_elf_fdpic.c: provide NOMMU loader for regular ELF binaries Rich Felker
2015-10-13 12:55 ` Greg Ungerer
2015-10-13 15:49 ` Rich Felker
2015-10-13 15:49 ` Rich Felker
2015-10-15 2:09 ` Greg Ungerer [this message]
2015-10-15 2:09 ` Greg Ungerer
2015-10-30 19:39 ` Trevor Woerner
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