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From: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@plumgrid.com>,
	Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
	davem@davemloft.net, viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk, tgraf@suug.ch,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 3/4] bpf: add support for persistent maps/progs
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:47:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <562A3A8C.1060705@iogearbox.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a8rabsst.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>

On 10/22/2015 09:35 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net> writes:
>> On 10/20/2015 08:56 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> ...
>>> Just FYI:  Using a device for this kind of interface is pretty
>>> much a non-starter as that quickly gets you into situations where
>>> things do not work in containers.  If someone gets a version of device
>>> namespaces past GregKH it might be up for discussion to use character
>>> devices.
>>
>> Okay, you are referring to this discussion here:
>>
>>    http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.containers/26760
>
> That is a piece of it.  It is an old old discussion (which generally has
> been handled poorly).  For the forseeable future device namespaces have
> a firm NACK by GregKH.  Which means that dynamic character device based
> interfaces do not work in containers.  Which means if you are not
> talking about physical hardware, character devices are a poor fit.

Yes, it breaks down with real namespace support. Reworking the set with
an improved version of the fs code is already in progress.

Thanks,
Daniel

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From: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Alexei Starovoitov <ast@plumgrid.com>,
	Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
	davem@davemloft.net, viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk, tgraf@suug.ch,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next 3/4] bpf: add support for persistent maps/progs
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2015 15:47:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <562A3A8C.1060705@iogearbox.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87a8rabsst.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>

On 10/22/2015 09:35 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net> writes:
>> On 10/20/2015 08:56 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> ...
>>> Just FYI:  Using a device for this kind of interface is pretty
>>> much a non-starter as that quickly gets you into situations where
>>> things do not work in containers.  If someone gets a version of device
>>> namespaces past GregKH it might be up for discussion to use character
>>> devices.
>>
>> Okay, you are referring to this discussion here:
>>
>>    http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.containers/26760
>
> That is a piece of it.  It is an old old discussion (which generally has
> been handled poorly).  For the forseeable future device namespaces have
> a firm NACK by GregKH.  Which means that dynamic character device based
> interfaces do not work in containers.  Which means if you are not
> talking about physical hardware, character devices are a poor fit.

Yes, it breaks down with real namespace support. Reworking the set with
an improved version of the fs code is already in progress.

Thanks,
Daniel

  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-23 13:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-16  1:09 [PATCH net-next 0/4] BPF updates Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-16  1:09 ` [PATCH net-next 1/4] bpf: abstract anon_inode_getfd invocations Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-16  1:09 ` [PATCH net-next 2/4] bpf: align and clean bpf_{map,prog}_get helpers Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-16  1:09 ` [PATCH net-next 3/4] bpf: add support for persistent maps/progs Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-16 10:25   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-16 13:36     ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-16 16:36       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-16 17:27         ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-16 17:37           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-16 16:18     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-16 16:43       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-16 17:32         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-16 17:37           ` Thomas Graf
2015-10-16 17:21   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-16 17:42     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-16 17:56       ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-16 18:41         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-16 19:27           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-16 19:53             ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-16 20:56               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-16 23:44                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-17  2:43                   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-17 12:28                     ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-18  2:20                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-18 15:03                         ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-18 16:49                           ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-18 20:59                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-19  7:36                               ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-19  9:51                                 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-19 14:23                                   ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-19 16:22                                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-19 17:37                                       ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-19 17:37                                         ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-19 18:15                                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-19 18:46                                           ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-19 19:34                                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-19 20:03                                               ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-19 20:48                                                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-19 22:17                                                   ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-19 22:17                                                     ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-20  0:30                                                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-20  8:46                                                       ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-20  8:46                                                         ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-20 17:53                                                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-20 18:56                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-21 15:17                                                             ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-21 15:17                                                               ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-21 18:34                                                               ` Thomas Graf
2015-10-21 22:44                                                                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-22 13:22                                                                   ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-22 19:35                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-23 13:47                                                                 ` Daniel Borkmann [this message]
2015-10-23 13:47                                                                   ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-20  9:43                                                       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-19 23:02                                                   ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-20  1:09                                                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-20 10:07                                                       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-10-20 18:44                                                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2015-10-16 19:54             ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-16  1:09 ` [PATCH net-next 4/4] bpf: add sample usages " Daniel Borkmann
2015-10-19  2:53 ` [PATCH net-next 0/4] BPF updates David Miller

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