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From: Daniel Micay <danielmicay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Shaohua Li <shli-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	Michael Kerrisk
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro
	<kosaki.motohiro-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>,
	Jason Evans <je-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov"
	<kirill-oKw7cIdHH8eLwutG50LtGA@public.gmane.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	yalin.wang2010-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	bmaurer-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/13] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:16:01 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <563A7591.7080607@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151104200006.GA46783-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>

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> Compared to MADV_DONTNEED, MADV_FREE's lazy memory free is a huge win to reduce
> page fault. But there is one issue remaining, the TLB flush. Both MADV_DONTNEED
> and MADV_FREE do TLB flush. TLB flush overhead is quite big in contemporary
> multi-thread applications. In our production workload, we observed 80% CPU
> spending on TLB flush triggered by jemalloc madvise(MADV_DONTNEED) sometimes.
> We haven't tested MADV_FREE yet, but the result should be similar. It's hard to
> avoid the TLB flush issue with MADV_FREE, because it helps avoid data
> corruption.
> 
> The new proposal tries to fix the TLB issue. We introduce two madvise verbs:
> 
> MARK_FREE. Userspace notifies kernel the memory range can be discarded. Kernel
> just records the range in current stage. Should memory pressure happen, page
> reclaim can free the memory directly regardless the pte state.
> 
> MARK_NOFREE. Userspace notifies kernel the memory range will be reused soon.
> Kernel deletes the record and prevents page reclaim discards the memory. If the
> memory isn't reclaimed, userspace will access the old memory, otherwise do
> normal page fault handling.
> 
> The point is to let userspace notify kernel if memory can be discarded, instead
> of depending on pte dirty bit used by MADV_FREE. With these, no TLB flush is
> required till page reclaim actually frees the memory (page reclaim need do the
> TLB flush for MADV_FREE too). It still preserves the lazy memory free merit of
> MADV_FREE.
> 
> Compared to MADV_FREE, reusing memory with the new proposal isn't transparent,
> eg must call MARK_NOFREE. But it's easy to utilize the new API in jemalloc.
> 
> We don't have code to backup this yet, sorry. We'd like to discuss it if it
> makes sense.

That's comparable to Android's pinning / unpinning API for ashmem and I
think it makes sense if it's faster. It's different than the MADV_FREE
API though, because the new allocations that are handed out won't have
the usual lazy commit which MADV_FREE provides. Pages in an allocation
that's handed out can still be dropped until they are actually written
to. It's considered active by jemalloc either way, but only a subset of
the active pages are actually committed. There's probably a use case for
both of these systems.


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From: Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com>
To: Shaohua Li <shli@kernel.org>, Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Jason Evans <je@fb.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	yalin.wang2010@gmail.com, bmaurer@fb.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/13] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:16:01 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <563A7591.7080607@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151104200006.GA46783@kernel.org>

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> Compared to MADV_DONTNEED, MADV_FREE's lazy memory free is a huge win to reduce
> page fault. But there is one issue remaining, the TLB flush. Both MADV_DONTNEED
> and MADV_FREE do TLB flush. TLB flush overhead is quite big in contemporary
> multi-thread applications. In our production workload, we observed 80% CPU
> spending on TLB flush triggered by jemalloc madvise(MADV_DONTNEED) sometimes.
> We haven't tested MADV_FREE yet, but the result should be similar. It's hard to
> avoid the TLB flush issue with MADV_FREE, because it helps avoid data
> corruption.
> 
> The new proposal tries to fix the TLB issue. We introduce two madvise verbs:
> 
> MARK_FREE. Userspace notifies kernel the memory range can be discarded. Kernel
> just records the range in current stage. Should memory pressure happen, page
> reclaim can free the memory directly regardless the pte state.
> 
> MARK_NOFREE. Userspace notifies kernel the memory range will be reused soon.
> Kernel deletes the record and prevents page reclaim discards the memory. If the
> memory isn't reclaimed, userspace will access the old memory, otherwise do
> normal page fault handling.
> 
> The point is to let userspace notify kernel if memory can be discarded, instead
> of depending on pte dirty bit used by MADV_FREE. With these, no TLB flush is
> required till page reclaim actually frees the memory (page reclaim need do the
> TLB flush for MADV_FREE too). It still preserves the lazy memory free merit of
> MADV_FREE.
> 
> Compared to MADV_FREE, reusing memory with the new proposal isn't transparent,
> eg must call MARK_NOFREE. But it's easy to utilize the new API in jemalloc.
> 
> We don't have code to backup this yet, sorry. We'd like to discuss it if it
> makes sense.

That's comparable to Android's pinning / unpinning API for ashmem and I
think it makes sense if it's faster. It's different than the MADV_FREE
API though, because the new allocations that are handed out won't have
the usual lazy commit which MADV_FREE provides. Pages in an allocation
that's handed out can still be dropped until they are actually written
to. It's considered active by jemalloc either way, but only a subset of
the active pages are actually committed. There's probably a use case for
both of these systems.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-11-04 21:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-04  1:25 [PATCH v2 00/13] MADV_FREE support Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25 ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE) Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  2:29   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-04  2:29     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-04 23:40     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04 23:40       ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04 23:40       ` Minchan Kim
     [not found]   ` <1446600367-7976-2-git-send-email-minchan-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-04  2:16     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-04  2:16       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-04  2:16       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-04 23:39       ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04 23:39         ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04 23:39         ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  3:41         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-05  3:41           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-05  3:41           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2015-11-04  3:41     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-04  3:41       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-04  3:41       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-04  5:50       ` Daniel Micay
     [not found]         ` <56399CA5.8090101-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-04  5:53           ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04  5:53             ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04  6:04             ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04 18:23         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-04 18:23           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-04 22:05           ` Daniel Micay
     [not found]             ` <563A813B.9080903-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-05 18:17               ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-05 18:17                 ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-05 18:17                 ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-05 20:13                 ` Daniel Micay
     [not found]                   ` <563BB855.6020304-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-05 20:14                     ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-05 20:14                       ` Daniel Micay
     [not found]       ` <CALCETrUuNs=26UQtkU88cKPomx_Bik9mbgUUF9q7Nmh1pQJ4qg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-05  0:13         ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  0:13           ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  0:13           ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  0:42           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-05  0:42             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-05  0:56             ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  0:56               ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:29               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-05  1:29                 ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                 ` <CALCETrWWgbPNwCr-=LF8p33H25C_aNS5vy4wd3NUap6SmrsmkA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-05  1:48                   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:48                     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:48                     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04 20:00     ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-04 20:00       ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-04 20:00       ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-04 21:43       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-04 21:43         ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]       ` <20151104200006.GA46783-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-04 21:16         ` Daniel Micay [this message]
2015-11-04 21:16           ` Daniel Micay
     [not found]           ` <563A7591.7080607-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-04 21:29             ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-04 21:29               ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-05  1:33         ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:33           ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:33           ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:37           ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:37             ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-05  1:37             ` Minchan Kim
2015-12-01 22:30       ` John Stultz
2015-12-01 22:30         ` John Stultz
2015-11-04  1:25 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] mm: define MADV_FREE for some arches Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] arch: uapi: asm: mman.h: Let MADV_FREE have same value for all architectures Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] mm: move lazily freed pages to inactive list Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] mm: clear PG_dirty to mark page freeable Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] mm: mark stable page dirty in KSM Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` Minchan Kim
     [not found] ` <1446600367-7976-1-git-send-email-minchan-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-04  1:25   ` [PATCH v2 04/13] mm: free swp_entry in madvise_free Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:25     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` [PATCH v2 08/13] x86: add pmd_[dirty|mkclean] for THP Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` [PATCH v2 10/13] powerpc: " Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] sparc: " Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] arm: add pmd_mkclean " Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] arm64: " Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26 ` [PATCH v2 13/13] mm: don't split THP page when syscall is called Minchan Kim
2015-11-04  1:26   ` Minchan Kim
2015-12-05 11:10 ` [PATCH v2 00/13] MADV_FREE support Pavel Machek
2015-12-05 11:10   ` Pavel Machek
2015-12-05 15:51   ` Daniel Micay
2015-12-05 15:51     ` Daniel Micay

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