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From: Daniel Micay <danielmicay-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org"
	<linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>,
	Michael Kerrisk
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro
	<kosaki.motohiro-+CUm20s59erQFUHtdCDX3A@public.gmane.org>,
	Jason Evans <je-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov"
	<kirill-oKw7cIdHH8eLwutG50LtGA@public.gmane.org>,
	Shaohua Li <shli-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>,
	yalin wang
	<yalin.wang2010-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/17] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 03:13:14 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56459B9A.7080501@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151113070356.GG5235@bbox>

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On 13/11/15 02:03 AM, Minchan Kim wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 01:45:52AM -0500, Daniel Micay wrote:
>>> And now I am thinking if we use access bit, we could implment MADV_FREE_UNDO
>>> easily when we need it. Maybe, that's what you want. Right?
>>
>> Yes, but why the access bit instead of the dirty bit for that? It could
>> always be made more strict (i.e. access bit) in the future, while going
>> the other way won't be possible. So I think the dirty bit is really the
>> more conservative choice since if it turns out to be a mistake it can be
>> fixed without a backwards incompatible change.
> 
> Absolutely true. That's why I insist on dirty bit until now although
> I didn't tell the reason. But I thought you wanted to change for using
> access bit for the future, too. It seems MADV_FREE start to bloat
> over and over again before knowing real problems and usecases.
> It's almost same situation with volatile ranges so I really want to
> stop at proper point which maintainer should decide, I hope.
> Without it, we will make the feature a lot heavy by just brain storming
> and then causes lots of churn in MM code without real bebenfit
> It would be very painful for us.

Well, I don't think you need more than a good API and an implementation
with no known bugs, kernel security concerns or backwards compatibility
issues. Configuration and API extensions are something for later (i.e.
land a baseline, then submit stuff like sysctl tunables). Just my take
on it though...


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From: Daniel Micay <danielmicay@gmail.com>
To: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Jason Evans <je@fb.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
	Shaohua Li <shli@kernel.org>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	yalin wang <yalin.wang2010@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/17] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE)
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 03:13:14 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <56459B9A.7080501@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151113070356.GG5235@bbox>

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On 13/11/15 02:03 AM, Minchan Kim wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 01:45:52AM -0500, Daniel Micay wrote:
>>> And now I am thinking if we use access bit, we could implment MADV_FREE_UNDO
>>> easily when we need it. Maybe, that's what you want. Right?
>>
>> Yes, but why the access bit instead of the dirty bit for that? It could
>> always be made more strict (i.e. access bit) in the future, while going
>> the other way won't be possible. So I think the dirty bit is really the
>> more conservative choice since if it turns out to be a mistake it can be
>> fixed without a backwards incompatible change.
> 
> Absolutely true. That's why I insist on dirty bit until now although
> I didn't tell the reason. But I thought you wanted to change for using
> access bit for the future, too. It seems MADV_FREE start to bloat
> over and over again before knowing real problems and usecases.
> It's almost same situation with volatile ranges so I really want to
> stop at proper point which maintainer should decide, I hope.
> Without it, we will make the feature a lot heavy by just brain storming
> and then causes lots of churn in MM code without real bebenfit
> It would be very painful for us.

Well, I don't think you need more than a good API and an implementation
with no known bugs, kernel security concerns or backwards compatibility
issues. Configuration and API extensions are something for later (i.e.
land a baseline, then submit stuff like sysctl tunables). Just my take
on it though...


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  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-13  8:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-12  4:32 [PATCH v3 00/17] MADFV_FREE support Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:32 ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:32 ` [PATCH v3 01/17] mm: support madvise(MADV_FREE) Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:32   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:49   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-12  4:49     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-12  5:21     ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-13  6:15       ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-13  6:15         ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-13  6:16         ` Daniel Micay
     [not found]           ` <56458056.8020105-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-13  6:38             ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-13  6:38               ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-13  6:38               ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-13  6:45               ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-13  7:03                 ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-13  7:03                   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-13  8:13                   ` Daniel Micay [this message]
2015-11-13  8:13                     ` Daniel Micay
2015-11-13 19:46                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-13 19:46                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-11-16  2:13                       ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-16  2:13                         ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-16  3:14                         ` yalin wang
2015-11-16  3:14                           ` yalin wang
2015-11-16  3:14                           ` yalin wang
     [not found]   ` <1447302793-5376-2-git-send-email-minchan-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-12 11:26     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-11-12 11:26       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-11-12 11:26       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
     [not found]       ` <20151112112620.GB22481-sVvlyX1904swdBt8bTSxpkEMvNT87kid@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-13  6:17         ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-13  6:17           ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-13  6:17           ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:32 ` [PATCH v3 02/17] mm: define MADV_FREE for some arches Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:32   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:32 ` [PATCH v3 03/17] arch: uapi: asm: mman.h: Let MADV_FREE have same value for all architectures Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:32   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:32   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:32   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12 11:27   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-11-12 11:27     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-11-12 11:27     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-11-12 11:27     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2015-11-13  6:18     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-13  6:18       ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-13  6:18       ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-13  6:18       ` Minchan Kim
     [not found]       ` <564895F3.8090300@hotmail.com>
2015-11-15 14:23         ` Chen Gang
2015-11-15 14:23           ` Chen Gang
2015-11-12  4:33 ` [PATCH v3 04/17] mm: free swp_entry in madvise_free Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33 ` [PATCH v3 05/17] mm: move lazily freed pages to inactive list Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33 ` [PATCH v3 06/17] mm: clear PG_dirty to mark page freeable Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33 ` [PATCH v3 07/17] mm: mark stable page dirty in KSM Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33 ` [PATCH v3 08/17] x86: add pmd_[dirty|mkclean] for THP Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33 ` [PATCH v3 09/17] sparc: " Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33 ` [PATCH v3 10/17] powerpc: " Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33 ` [PATCH v3 11/17] arm: add pmd_mkclean " Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33 ` [PATCH v3 12/17] arm64: " Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33 ` [PATCH v3 13/17] mm: don't split THP page when syscall is called Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33 ` [PATCH v3 14/17] mm: introduce wrappers to add new LRU Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33   ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33 ` [PATCH v3 15/17] mm: introduce lazyfree LRU list Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33   ` Minchan Kim
     [not found] ` <1447302793-5376-1-git-send-email-minchan-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-12  4:33   ` [PATCH v3 16/17] mm: support MADV_FREE on swapless system Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33   ` [PATCH v3 17/17] mm: add knob to tune lazyfreeing Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33     ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-12  4:33     ` Minchan Kim
     [not found]     ` <1447302793-5376-18-git-send-email-minchan-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-12 19:44       ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-12 19:44         ` Shaohua Li
2015-11-12 19:44         ` Shaohua Li
     [not found]         ` <20151112194453.GA50352-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-11-13  6:20           ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-13  6:20             ` Minchan Kim
2015-11-13  6:20             ` Minchan Kim

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