From: "Christian König" <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com>
To: Dmitry Osipenko <dmitry.osipenko@collabora.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 10/15] drm/shmem-helper: Take reservation lock instead of drm_gem_shmem locks
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 16:24:28 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <56787b70-fb64-64da-6006-d3aa3ed59d12@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YnuziJDmXVR09UzP@phenom.ffwll.local>
Am 11.05.22 um 15:00 schrieb Daniel Vetter:
> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 04:39:53PM +0300, Dmitry Osipenko wrote:
>> [SNIP]
>> Since vmapping implies implicit pinning, we can't use a separate lock in
>> drm_gem_shmem_vmap() because we need to protect the
>> drm_gem_shmem_get_pages(), which is invoked by drm_gem_shmem_vmap() to
>> pin the pages and requires the dma_resv_lock to be locked.
>>
>> Hence the problem is:
>>
>> 1. If dma-buf importer holds the dma_resv_lock and invokes
>> dma_buf_vmap() -> drm_gem_shmem_vmap(), then drm_gem_shmem_vmap() shall
>> not take the dma_resv_lock.
>>
>> 2. Since dma-buf locking convention isn't specified, we can't assume
>> that dma-buf importer holds the dma_resv_lock around dma_buf_vmap().
>>
>> The possible solutions are:
>>
>> 1. Specify the dma_resv_lock convention for dma-bufs and make all
>> drivers to follow it.
>>
>> 2. Make only DRM drivers to hold dma_resv_lock around dma_buf_vmap().
>> Other non-DRM drivers will get the lockdep warning.
>>
>> 3. Make drm_gem_shmem_vmap() to take the dma_resv_lock and get deadlock
>> if dma-buf importer holds the lock.
>>
>> ...
> Yeah this is all very annoying.
Ah, yes that topic again :)
I think we could relatively easily fix that by just defining and
enforcing that the dma_resv_lock must have be taken by the caller when
dma_buf_vmap() is called.
A two step approach should work:
1. Move the call to dma_resv_lock() into the dma_buf_vmap() function and
remove all lock taking from the vmap callback implementations.
2. Move the call to dma_resv_lock() into the callers of dma_buf_vmap()
and enforce that the function is called with the lock held.
It shouldn't be that hard to clean up. The last time I looked into it my
main problem was that we didn't had any easy unit test for it.
Regards,
Christian.
>
>> There are actually very few drivers in kernel that use dma_buf_vmap()
>> [1], so perhaps it's not really a big deal to first try to define the
>> locking and pinning convention for the dma-bufs? At least for
>> dma_buf_vmap()? Let me try to do this.
>>
>> [1] https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v5.18-rc6/C/ident/dma_buf_vmap
> Yeah looking through the code there's largely two classes of drivers that
> need vmap:
>
> - display drivers that need to do cpu upload (usb, spi, i2c displays).
> Those generally set up the vmap at import time or when creating the
> drm_framebuffer object (e.g. see
> drm_gem_cma_prime_import_sg_table_vmap()), because that's really the
> only place where you can safely do that without running into locking
> inversion issues sooner or later
>
> - lots of other drivers (and shmem helpers) seem to do dma_buf_vmap just
> because they can, but only actually ever use vmap on native objects,
> never on imported objects. Or at least I think so.
>
> So maybe another approach here:
>
> 1. In general drivers which need a vmap need to set that up at dma_buf
> import time - the same way we pin the buffers at import time for
> non-dynamic importers because that's the only place where across all
> drivers it's ok to just take dma_resv_lock.
>
> 2. We remove the "just because we can" dma_buf_vmap support from
> helpers/drivers - the paths all already can cope with NULL since
> dma_buf_vmap can fail. vmap will only work on native objects, not imported
> ones.
>
> 3. If there is any driver using shmem helpers that absolutely needs vmap
> to also work on imported it needs a special import function (like cma
> helpers) which sets up the vmap at import time.
>
> So since this is all very tricky ... what did I miss this time around?
>
>> I envision that the extra dma_resv_locks for dma-bufs potentially may
>> create unnecessary bottlenecks for some drivers if locking isn't really
>> necessary by a specific driver, so drivers will need to keep this in
>> mind. On the other hand, I don't think that any of the today's drivers
>> will notice the additional resv locks in practice.
> Nah I don't think the extra locking will ever create a bottleneck,
> especially not for vmap. Generally vmap is a fallback or at least cpu
> operation, so at that point you're already going very slow.
> -Daniel
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From: "Christian König" <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com>
To: Dmitry Osipenko <dmitry.osipenko@collabora.com>,
Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
Daniel Stone <daniel@fooishbar.org>,
David Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>,
Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
Gurchetan Singh <gurchetansingh@chromium.org>,
Chia-I Wu <olvaffe@gmail.com>,
Daniel Almeida <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>,
Gert Wollny <gert.wollny@collabora.com>,
Gustavo Padovan <gustavo.padovan@collabora.com>,
Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu.vizoso@collabora.com>,
Maarten Lankhorst <maarten.lankhorst@linux.intel.com>,
Maxime Ripard <mripard@kernel.org>, Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
Steven Price <steven.price@arm.com>,
Alyssa Rosenzweig <alyssa.rosenzweig@collabora.com>,
Rob Clark <robdclark@gmail.com>,
Emil Velikov <emil.l.velikov@gmail.com>,
Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
Dmitry Osipenko <digetx@gmail.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 10/15] drm/shmem-helper: Take reservation lock instead of drm_gem_shmem locks
Date: Wed, 11 May 2022 16:24:28 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <56787b70-fb64-64da-6006-d3aa3ed59d12@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YnuziJDmXVR09UzP@phenom.ffwll.local>
Am 11.05.22 um 15:00 schrieb Daniel Vetter:
> On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 04:39:53PM +0300, Dmitry Osipenko wrote:
>> [SNIP]
>> Since vmapping implies implicit pinning, we can't use a separate lock in
>> drm_gem_shmem_vmap() because we need to protect the
>> drm_gem_shmem_get_pages(), which is invoked by drm_gem_shmem_vmap() to
>> pin the pages and requires the dma_resv_lock to be locked.
>>
>> Hence the problem is:
>>
>> 1. If dma-buf importer holds the dma_resv_lock and invokes
>> dma_buf_vmap() -> drm_gem_shmem_vmap(), then drm_gem_shmem_vmap() shall
>> not take the dma_resv_lock.
>>
>> 2. Since dma-buf locking convention isn't specified, we can't assume
>> that dma-buf importer holds the dma_resv_lock around dma_buf_vmap().
>>
>> The possible solutions are:
>>
>> 1. Specify the dma_resv_lock convention for dma-bufs and make all
>> drivers to follow it.
>>
>> 2. Make only DRM drivers to hold dma_resv_lock around dma_buf_vmap().
>> Other non-DRM drivers will get the lockdep warning.
>>
>> 3. Make drm_gem_shmem_vmap() to take the dma_resv_lock and get deadlock
>> if dma-buf importer holds the lock.
>>
>> ...
> Yeah this is all very annoying.
Ah, yes that topic again :)
I think we could relatively easily fix that by just defining and
enforcing that the dma_resv_lock must have be taken by the caller when
dma_buf_vmap() is called.
A two step approach should work:
1. Move the call to dma_resv_lock() into the dma_buf_vmap() function and
remove all lock taking from the vmap callback implementations.
2. Move the call to dma_resv_lock() into the callers of dma_buf_vmap()
and enforce that the function is called with the lock held.
It shouldn't be that hard to clean up. The last time I looked into it my
main problem was that we didn't had any easy unit test for it.
Regards,
Christian.
>
>> There are actually very few drivers in kernel that use dma_buf_vmap()
>> [1], so perhaps it's not really a big deal to first try to define the
>> locking and pinning convention for the dma-bufs? At least for
>> dma_buf_vmap()? Let me try to do this.
>>
>> [1] https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v5.18-rc6/C/ident/dma_buf_vmap
> Yeah looking through the code there's largely two classes of drivers that
> need vmap:
>
> - display drivers that need to do cpu upload (usb, spi, i2c displays).
> Those generally set up the vmap at import time or when creating the
> drm_framebuffer object (e.g. see
> drm_gem_cma_prime_import_sg_table_vmap()), because that's really the
> only place where you can safely do that without running into locking
> inversion issues sooner or later
>
> - lots of other drivers (and shmem helpers) seem to do dma_buf_vmap just
> because they can, but only actually ever use vmap on native objects,
> never on imported objects. Or at least I think so.
>
> So maybe another approach here:
>
> 1. In general drivers which need a vmap need to set that up at dma_buf
> import time - the same way we pin the buffers at import time for
> non-dynamic importers because that's the only place where across all
> drivers it's ok to just take dma_resv_lock.
>
> 2. We remove the "just because we can" dma_buf_vmap support from
> helpers/drivers - the paths all already can cope with NULL since
> dma_buf_vmap can fail. vmap will only work on native objects, not imported
> ones.
>
> 3. If there is any driver using shmem helpers that absolutely needs vmap
> to also work on imported it needs a special import function (like cma
> helpers) which sets up the vmap at import time.
>
> So since this is all very tricky ... what did I miss this time around?
>
>> I envision that the extra dma_resv_locks for dma-bufs potentially may
>> create unnecessary bottlenecks for some drivers if locking isn't really
>> necessary by a specific driver, so drivers will need to keep this in
>> mind. On the other hand, I don't think that any of the today's drivers
>> will notice the additional resv locks in practice.
> Nah I don't think the extra locking will ever create a bottleneck,
> especially not for vmap. Generally vmap is a fallback or at least cpu
> operation, so at that point you're already going very slow.
> -Daniel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-05-11 14:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-04-17 22:36 [PATCH v4 00/15] Add generic memory shrinker to VirtIO-GPU and Panfrost DRM drivers Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:36 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:36 ` [PATCH v4 01/15] drm/virtio: Correct drm_gem_shmem_get_sg_table() error handling Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:36 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:36 ` [PATCH v4 02/15] drm/virtio: Check whether transferred 2D BO is shmem Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:36 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:36 ` [PATCH v4 03/15] drm/virtio: Unlock GEM reservations on virtio_gpu_object_shmem_init() error Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:36 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:36 ` [PATCH v4 04/15] drm/virtio: Unlock reservations on dma_resv_reserve_fences() error Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:36 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:36 ` [PATCH v4 05/15] drm/virtio: Use appropriate atomic state in virtio_gpu_plane_cleanup_fb() Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:36 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:36 ` [PATCH v4 06/15] drm/virtio: Simplify error handling of virtio_gpu_object_create() Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:36 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:36 ` [PATCH v4 07/15] drm/virtio: Improve DMA API usage for shmem BOs Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:36 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:37 ` [PATCH v4 08/15] drm/virtio: Use dev_is_pci() Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:37 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:37 ` [PATCH v4 09/15] drm/shmem-helper: Correct doc-comment of drm_gem_shmem_get_sg_table() Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:37 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-18 18:25 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-04-18 18:25 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-04-18 18:25 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-04-18 19:43 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-18 19:43 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:37 ` [PATCH v4 10/15] drm/shmem-helper: Take reservation lock instead of drm_gem_shmem locks Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:37 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-18 18:38 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-04-18 18:38 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-04-18 19:18 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-27 14:50 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-04-27 14:50 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-04-27 14:50 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-04-28 18:31 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-04 8:21 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-04 8:21 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-04 8:21 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-04 15:56 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-05 8:12 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-05 8:12 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-05 8:12 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-05 22:49 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-09 13:42 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-09 13:42 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-09 13:42 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-10 13:39 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-10 13:39 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-11 13:00 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-11 13:00 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-11 13:00 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-11 14:24 ` Christian König [this message]
2022-05-11 14:24 ` Christian König
2022-05-11 15:07 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-11 15:07 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-11 15:07 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-11 15:14 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-11 15:14 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-11 15:29 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-11 15:29 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-11 15:29 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-11 15:40 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-11 15:40 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-11 19:05 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-11 19:05 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-11 19:05 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-12 7:29 ` Christian König
2022-05-12 7:29 ` Christian König
2022-05-12 14:15 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-12 14:15 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-12 14:15 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-04-17 22:37 ` [PATCH v4 11/15] drm/shmem-helper: Add generic memory shrinker Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:37 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-19 7:22 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-04-19 7:22 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-04-19 20:40 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-27 15:03 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-04-27 15:03 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-04-27 15:03 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-04-28 18:20 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-04 8:24 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-04 8:24 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-04 8:24 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-06-19 16:54 ` Rob Clark
2022-06-19 16:54 ` Rob Clark
2022-06-19 16:54 ` Rob Clark
2022-05-05 8:34 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-05-05 8:34 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-05-05 11:59 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-05 11:59 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-05 11:59 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-06 0:10 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-09 13:49 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-09 13:49 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-09 13:49 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-10 13:47 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-10 13:47 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-11 13:09 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-11 13:09 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-11 13:09 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-11 16:06 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-11 16:06 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-11 19:09 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-11 19:09 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-11 19:09 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-12 11:36 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-12 11:36 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-12 17:04 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-12 17:04 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-12 17:04 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-12 19:04 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-12 19:04 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-05-19 14:13 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-19 14:13 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-19 14:13 ` Daniel Vetter
2022-05-19 14:29 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:37 ` [PATCH v4 12/15] drm/virtio: Support memory shrinking Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:37 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:37 ` [PATCH v4 13/15] drm/panfrost: Switch to generic memory shrinker Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:37 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:37 ` [PATCH v4 14/15] drm/shmem-helper: Make drm_gem_shmem_get_pages() private Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:37 ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:37 ` [PATCH v4 15/15] drm/shmem-helper: Remove drm_gem_shmem_purge() Dmitry Osipenko
2022-04-17 22:37 ` Dmitry Osipenko
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