bat: naming conflict in distribution packages with Bareos/Bacula

bat: naming conflict in distribution packages with Bareos/Bacula

[Jörg Steffens]

Hello,

my name is Jörg Steffens and I'm one of the maintainers of the Bareos
backup software project. Bareos is a fork Bacula.

Bareos includes a GUI program called bat (bareos administration tool).
bat have been around since 2007.

alsa-utils as well as bareos-bat (as well a some Bacula packages) all
contain a program called /usr/bin/bat, which causes conflicts on various
distributions ("basic audio tester" vs "bareos administration tool"
("bacula administration tool")).
See http://pkgs.org/search//usr/bin/bat

We received a bug report/feature request
https://bugs.bareos.org/view.php?id=576 from Michel, the maintainer of
Bareos for Arch Linux about how to solve the naming conflict with we
latest ALSA 1.1.0.

I wanted to raise the question, if you are aware of this potential
problem? Maybe you have guidelines for package maintainers how to solve
this.
Some distributions have separated "basic audio tester" from the
alsa-utils package, like Fedora with alsa-utils-bat.
I think, this will work out well, as I assume "basic audio tester" is
not stricly required on all systems. "bareos administration tool" at
least is optional and typical installed on administrative workstations.

regards,
Jörg
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Re: bat: naming conflict in distribution packages with Bareos/Bacula

[Takashi Iwai]

Hi,

sorry for the late response, as this post buried behind many Christmas
tree decorations...

On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 12:59:55 +0100,
J6rg Steffens wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> my name is Jörg Steffens and I'm one of the maintainers of the Bareos
> backup software project. Bareos is a fork Bacula.
> 
> Bareos includes a GUI program called bat (bareos administration tool).
> bat have been around since 2007.
> 
> alsa-utils as well as bareos-bat (as well a some Bacula packages) all
> contain a program called /usr/bin/bat, which causes conflicts on various
> distributions ("basic audio tester" vs "bareos administration tool"
> ("bacula administration tool")).
> See http://pkgs.org/search//usr/bin/bat
> 
> We received a bug report/feature request
> https://bugs.bareos.org/view.php?id=576 from Michel, the maintainer of
> Bareos for Arch Linux about how to solve the naming conflict with we
> latest ALSA 1.1.0.
> 
> I wanted to raise the question, if you are aware of this potential
> problem? Maybe you have guidelines for package maintainers how to solve
> this.
> Some distributions have separated "basic audio tester" from the
> alsa-utils package, like Fedora with alsa-utils-bat.
> I think, this will work out well, as I assume "basic audio tester" is
> not stricly required on all systems. "bareos administration tool" at
> least is optional and typical installed on administrative workstations.

It's bad to have such a naming conflict, indeed.  This wasn't
intentional, of course.

I, as one of maintainers, am neutral about renaming: if other people
prefer keeping this, I'd say simply to push this to each distro
packager.  How to solve such an issue pretty depends on the
distribution.  And they (must) know well such a case.

OTOH, if we all agree with renaming to something less likely
conflicting, I'm all fine with it.  It's a new program, so not too
much impact yet by a rename, I suppose.

Let's first ask Intel people who are the author of our BAT.


thanks,

Takashi
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Re: bat: naming conflict in distribution packages with Bareos/Bacula

[Liam Girdwood]

On Mon, 2016-01-11 at 16:07 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> sorry for the late response, as this post buried behind many Christmas
> tree decorations...

Sorry, didn't see this either....

> 
> On Wed, 23 Dec 2015 12:59:55 +0100,
> J6rg Steffens wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > my name is Jörg Steffens and I'm one of the maintainers of the Bareos
> > backup software project. Bareos is a fork Bacula.
> > 
> > Bareos includes a GUI program called bat (bareos administration tool).
> > bat have been around since 2007.
> > 
> > alsa-utils as well as bareos-bat (as well a some Bacula packages) all
> > contain a program called /usr/bin/bat, which causes conflicts on various
> > distributions ("basic audio tester" vs "bareos administration tool"
> > ("bacula administration tool")).
> > See http://pkgs.org/search//usr/bin/bat
> > 
> > We received a bug report/feature request
> > https://bugs.bareos.org/view.php?id=576 from Michel, the maintainer of
> > Bareos for Arch Linux about how to solve the naming conflict with we
> > latest ALSA 1.1.0.
> > 
> > I wanted to raise the question, if you are aware of this potential
> > problem? Maybe you have guidelines for package maintainers how to solve
> > this.
> > Some distributions have separated "basic audio tester" from the
> > alsa-utils package, like Fedora with alsa-utils-bat.
> > I think, this will work out well, as I assume "basic audio tester" is
> > not stricly required on all systems. "bareos administration tool" at
> > least is optional and typical installed on administrative workstations.
> 
> It's bad to have such a naming conflict, indeed.  This wasn't
> intentional, of course.

It certainly wasn't, I did check for collisions on a few distros but
none of then had Bareos installed.

> 
> I, as one of maintainers, am neutral about renaming: if other people
> prefer keeping this, I'd say simply to push this to each distro
> packager.  How to solve such an issue pretty depends on the
> distribution.  And they (must) know well such a case.
> 
> OTOH, if we all agree with renaming to something less likely
> conflicting, I'm all fine with it.  It's a new program, so not too
> much impact yet by a rename, I suppose.
> 
> Let's first ask Intel people who are the author of our BAT.
> 

What about prefixing "alsa" or "a" to to bat ? We already have
alsamixer, aplay, alsactl....

Thanks

Liam

> 
> thanks,
> 
> Takashi


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Re: bat: naming conflict in distribution packages with Bareos/Bacula

[Clemens Ladisch]

Liam Girdwood wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-01-11 at 16:07 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
>> J6rg Steffens wrote:
>>> alsa-utils as well as bareos-bat (as well a some Bacula packages) all
>>> contain a program called /usr/bin/bat, which causes conflicts on various
>>> distributions ("basic audio tester" vs "bareos administration tool"
>>> ("bacula administration tool")).
>>
>> [...]
>> OTOH, if we all agree with renaming to something less likely
>> conflicting, I'm all fine with it.
>
> What about prefixing "alsa" or "a" to to bat ?

Why not calling it basic-audio-test (like speaker-test)?


Regards,
Clemens

Re: bat: naming conflict in distribution packages with Bareos/Bacula

[Lu, Han]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clemens Ladisch [mailto:clemens@ladisch.de]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 4:03 AM
> To: Liam Girdwood; Takashi Iwai
> Cc: J6rg Steffens; alsa-devel@alsa-project.org; Gautier, Bernard; Lu, Han
> Subject: Re: [alsa-devel] bat: naming conflict in distribution packages with
> Bareos/Bacula
> 
> Liam Girdwood wrote:
> > On Mon, 2016-01-11 at 16:07 +0100, Takashi Iwai wrote:
> >> J6rg Steffens wrote:
> >>> alsa-utils as well as bareos-bat (as well a some Bacula packages)
> >>> all contain a program called /usr/bin/bat, which causes conflicts on
> >>> various distributions ("basic audio tester" vs "bareos administration tool"
> >>> ("bacula administration tool")).
> >>
> >> [...]
> >> OTOH, if we all agree with renaming to something less likely
> >> conflicting, I'm all fine with it.
> >
> > What about prefixing "alsa" or "a" to to bat ?
> 
> Why not calling it basic-audio-test (like speaker-test)?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Clemens

I prefer "alsabat" since there are many acronym "bat" in code and document already,
"basic-audio-test" is more clear but the name "alsabat" keeps sync with original name.

BR,
Han