From: Florian Fainelli <f.fainelli@gmail.com>
To: Jesper Dangaard Brouer <brouer@redhat.com>,
Felix Fietkau <nbd@openwrt.org>
Cc: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>,
"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
Alexander Duyck <alexander.duyck@gmail.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
Daniel Borkmann <borkmann@iogearbox.net>,
Marek Majkowski <marek@cloudflare.com>,
Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
Florian Westphal <fw@strlen.de>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
John Fastabend <john.r.fastabend@intel.com>
Subject: Re: Optimizing instruction-cache, more packets at each stage
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 16:08:48 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <56A56790.4080808@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160118125420.0375ffda@redhat.com>
Hi Jesper
On 18/01/2016 03:54, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
>
> On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 15:38:43 +0100 Felix Fietkau <nbd@openwrt.org> wrote:
>> On 2016-01-15 15:00, Jesper Dangaard Brouer wrote:
> [...]
>>>
>>> The icache is still quite small 32Kb on modern server processors. I
>>> don't know if smaller embedded processors also have icache and how
>>> large they are. I speculate this approach would also be a benefit for
>>> them (if they have icache).
>>
>> All of the router devices that I work with have icache. Typical sizes
>> are 32 or 64 KiB. FWIW, I'm really looking forward to having such
>> optimizations in the network stack ;)
>
> That is very interesting. These kind of icache optimization will then
> likely benefit lower-end devices more than high end Intel CPUs :-)
Typical embedded routers have small I and D cache, but they also have
fairly small cache line sizes (16, 32 or 64 bytes), and not necessarily
a L2 cache to help them, the memory bandwidth is also very limited
(DDR/DDR2 speeds are not uncommon) so the less I/D cache lines you
trash, the better obviously.
One thing that some HW vendors have done, before they started
introducing a HW capable of offloading routing/NAT workloads to
specialized hardware is to hack the heck of the Linux network stack to
allow a lightweight SKB structure to be used for forwarding and allocate
these "meta" bookeekping SKBs from a dedicated kmem cache pool to get
relatively predictable latencies.
There is also a notion of a dirty pointer within the skbuff itself, such
that instead of e.g: having your Ethernet NIC driver do a DMA-API call
which can potentially invalidate the D-cache for an entire 1500-ish
bytes Ethernet frame, the packet contents are "valid" up until the dirty
pointer, which is a nice trick if you are just forwarding, but requires
both SKB accessors/manipulation functions to check that, and your
Ethernet driver to be cooperative as well, so may not scale well.
Broadcom's implementation of such a thing can be found here among these
files, code is not kernel style compliant, but there might be some
re-usable ideas for you:
NBUFF/FKBUFF/SKBUFF are the actual packet book keeping data structures
that replace and/or extend the use of SKBs:
https://code.google.com/p/gfiber-gflt100/source/browse/kernel/linux/include/linux/nbuff.h
https://code.google.com/p/gfiber-gflt100/source/browse/kernel/linux/net/core/nbuff.c
# Check for CONFIG_MIPS_BRCM changes here:
https://code.google.com/p/gfiber-gflt100/source/browse/kernel/linux/net/core/skbuff.c
https://code.google.com/p/gfiber-gflt100/source/browse/kernel/linux/include/linux/skbuff.h
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-01-25 0:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-01-15 13:22 Optimizing instruction-cache, more packets at each stage Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-01-15 13:32 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2016-01-15 14:17 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-01-15 13:36 ` David Laight
2016-01-15 14:00 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-01-15 14:38 ` Felix Fietkau
2016-01-18 11:54 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-01-18 17:01 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-25 0:08 ` Florian Fainelli [this message]
2016-01-15 20:47 ` David Miller
2016-01-18 10:27 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-01-18 16:24 ` David Miller
2016-01-20 22:20 ` Or Gerlitz
2016-01-20 23:02 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-20 23:27 ` Tom Herbert
2016-01-21 11:27 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-01-21 12:49 ` Or Gerlitz
2016-01-21 13:57 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-01-21 18:56 ` David Miller
2016-01-21 22:45 ` Or Gerlitz
2016-01-21 22:59 ` David Miller
2016-01-21 16:38 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-21 18:54 ` David Miller
2016-01-24 14:28 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-01-24 14:44 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2016-01-24 17:28 ` John Fastabend
2016-01-25 13:15 ` Bypass at packet-page level (Was: Optimizing instruction-cache, more packets at each stage) Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-01-25 17:09 ` Tom Herbert
2016-01-25 17:50 ` John Fastabend
2016-01-25 21:32 ` Tom Herbert
2016-01-25 21:58 ` John Fastabend
2016-01-25 22:10 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-01-27 20:47 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-01-27 21:56 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2016-01-28 9:52 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-01-28 12:54 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-28 13:25 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-28 16:43 ` Tom Herbert
2016-01-28 2:50 ` Tom Herbert
2016-01-28 9:25 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-01-28 12:45 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-28 16:37 ` Tom Herbert
2016-01-28 16:43 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-28 17:04 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-01-24 20:09 ` Optimizing instruction-cache, more packets at each stage Tom Herbert
2016-01-24 21:41 ` John Fastabend
2016-01-24 23:50 ` Tom Herbert
2016-01-21 12:23 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-01-21 16:38 ` Tom Herbert
2016-01-21 17:48 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-22 12:33 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-01-22 14:33 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-22 17:07 ` Tom Herbert
2016-01-22 17:17 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2016-02-02 16:13 ` Or Gerlitz
2016-02-02 16:37 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-18 16:53 ` Eric Dumazet
2016-01-18 17:36 ` Tom Herbert
2016-01-18 17:49 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
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