From: Mike Christie <michaelc-hcNo3dDEHLuVc3sceRu5cw@public.gmane.org>
To: Chris Leech <cleech-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
open-iscsi-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw@public.gmane.org,
Lee Duncan <lduncan-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>,
linux-scsi-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Use ida_simple for SCSI iSCSI transport session id
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 12:40:12 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <56C36D0C.3030002@cs.wisc.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160215182653.pvo6crry2wqwgjso-r8IHplWLGbA5tHQWs+pTeqPFFGjUI2lm2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org>
On 02/15/2016 12:26 PM, Chris Leech wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 09:54:51AM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
>> On Fri, 2016-02-12 at 09:38 -0800, Lee Duncan wrote:
>>> The scsi_transport_iscsi module already uses the ida_simple
>>> routines for managing the target ID, if requested to do
>>> so. This change replaces an ever-increasing atomic integer
>>> that tracks the session ID itself with the ida_simple
>>> family of routines. This means that the session ID
>>> will be reclaimed and can be reused when the session
>>> is freed.
>>
>> Is reusing session ID's really a good idea? For sequential sessions it
>> means that the ID of the next session will be re-used, i.e. the same as
>> the previous sessions, which could lead to target confusion. I think
>> local uniqueness of session IDs is more important than wrap around
>> because sessions are short lived entities and the chances of the same
>> session being alive by the time we've wrapped is pretty tiny.
>
> I've got a few complaints about target resources being tied up because
> we don't reuse session IDs. The ISID becomes a component in the
> I_T nexus identifier, so changing it invalidates persistent reservations.
>
>> If you can demostrate a multi-target problem, perhaps we should rather
>> fix this by making the next session id a target local quantity?
>
> Mike's got a good point that we don't really need to base the ISID off
> of our local session identifier (kobject name). I think getting reuse
> right may be a bit trickier than being a target local value, because it
> needs to be unique across target portal groups. Which probably furthers
> the argument that we should deal with that in the userspace tools.
>
> If we plan to split the protocol ISID cleanly from the kobject name,
> I guess the question is if aggressive reuse of the local identifier is
> better than dealing with the unlikely collision on rollover?
I thought Lee's patch to convert the host_no from a atomic_t to ida
based was merged in Martin's tree. If that is going upstream, then I
thought you would want to fix the session id too.
Is the concern similar to /dev/sdX reuse and bad apps? In this case,
some app might do a logout and login, but not update the sysfs mapping.
You could then hit corruption due to the sysfs session id now mapping to
a different target.
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From: Mike Christie <michaelc@cs.wisc.edu>
To: Chris Leech <cleech@redhat.com>,
open-iscsi@googlegroups.com, Lee Duncan <lduncan@suse.com>,
linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Use ida_simple for SCSI iSCSI transport session id
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2016 12:40:12 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <56C36D0C.3030002@cs.wisc.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160215182653.pvo6crry2wqwgjso@straylight.hirudinean.org>
On 02/15/2016 12:26 PM, Chris Leech wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 09:54:51AM -0800, James Bottomley wrote:
>> On Fri, 2016-02-12 at 09:38 -0800, Lee Duncan wrote:
>>> The scsi_transport_iscsi module already uses the ida_simple
>>> routines for managing the target ID, if requested to do
>>> so. This change replaces an ever-increasing atomic integer
>>> that tracks the session ID itself with the ida_simple
>>> family of routines. This means that the session ID
>>> will be reclaimed and can be reused when the session
>>> is freed.
>>
>> Is reusing session ID's really a good idea? For sequential sessions it
>> means that the ID of the next session will be re-used, i.e. the same as
>> the previous sessions, which could lead to target confusion. I think
>> local uniqueness of session IDs is more important than wrap around
>> because sessions are short lived entities and the chances of the same
>> session being alive by the time we've wrapped is pretty tiny.
>
> I've got a few complaints about target resources being tied up because
> we don't reuse session IDs. The ISID becomes a component in the
> I_T nexus identifier, so changing it invalidates persistent reservations.
>
>> If you can demostrate a multi-target problem, perhaps we should rather
>> fix this by making the next session id a target local quantity?
>
> Mike's got a good point that we don't really need to base the ISID off
> of our local session identifier (kobject name). I think getting reuse
> right may be a bit trickier than being a target local value, because it
> needs to be unique across target portal groups. Which probably furthers
> the argument that we should deal with that in the userspace tools.
>
> If we plan to split the protocol ISID cleanly from the kobject name,
> I guess the question is if aggressive reuse of the local identifier is
> better than dealing with the unlikely collision on rollover?
I thought Lee's patch to convert the host_no from a atomic_t to ida
based was merged in Martin's tree. If that is going upstream, then I
thought you would want to fix the session id too.
Is the concern similar to /dev/sdX reuse and bad apps? In this case,
some app might do a logout and login, but not update the sysfs mapping.
You could then hit corruption due to the sysfs session id now mapping to
a different target.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-02-16 18:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-02-12 17:38 [PATCH] Use ida_simple for SCSI iSCSI transport session id Lee Duncan
2016-02-12 17:38 ` Lee Duncan
[not found] ` <1455298733-18651-1-git-send-email-lduncan-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-12 17:54 ` James Bottomley
2016-02-12 17:54 ` James Bottomley
[not found] ` <1455299691.2396.45.camel-d9PhHud1JfjCXq6kfMZ53/egYHeGw8Jk@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-12 22:13 ` Mike Christie
2016-02-12 22:13 ` Mike Christie
2016-02-15 18:26 ` Chris Leech
[not found] ` <20160215182653.pvo6crry2wqwgjso-r8IHplWLGbA5tHQWs+pTeqPFFGjUI2lm2LY78lusg7I@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-16 18:40 ` Mike Christie [this message]
2016-02-16 18:40 ` Mike Christie
[not found] ` <56C36D0C.3030002-hcNo3dDEHLuVc3sceRu5cw@public.gmane.org>
2016-02-17 22:37 ` Chris Leech
2016-02-17 22:37 ` Chris Leech
2016-03-08 1:02 ` Lee Duncan
[not found] ` <56DE24A8.2060305-IBi9RG/b67k@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-08 2:15 ` Martin K. Petersen
2016-03-08 2:15 ` Martin K. Petersen
2016-03-08 17:21 ` Chris Leech
2016-03-08 17:21 ` Chris Leech
2016-03-09 8:43 ` Johannes Thumshirn
2016-03-09 8:43 ` Johannes Thumshirn
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