From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Joonsoo Kim <js1304@gmail.com>
Cc: Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/5] mm, kswapd: replace kswapd compaction with waking up kcompactd
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 15:09:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <56D6F41D.9080107@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAmzW4PHAsMvifgV2FpS_FYE78_PzDtADvoBY67usc_9-D4Hjg@mail.gmail.com>
On 03/02/2016 02:57 PM, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
> 2016-03-02 19:04 GMT+09:00 Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>:
>> On 03/02/2016 07:33 AM, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Why you did the test with THP? THP interferes result of main test so
>>> it would be better not to enable it.
>>
>>
>> Hmm I've always left it enabled. It makes for a more realistic interference
>> and would also show unintended regressions in that closely related area.
>
> But, it makes review hard because complex analysis is needed to
> understand the result.
>
> Following is the example.
>
> "The compaction stalls
> (direct compaction) in the interfering kernel builds (probably THP's) also
> decreased somewhat to kcompactd activity, yet THP alloc successes improved a
> bit."
>
> So, why do we need this comment to understand effect of this patch? If you did
> a test without THP, it would not be necessary.
I see. Next time I'll do a run with THP disabled.
>>> And, this patch increased compaction activity (10 times for migrate
>>> scanned)
>>> may be due to resetting skip block information.
>>
>>
>> Note that kswapd compaction activity was completely non-existent for reasons
>> outlined in the changelog.
>>> Isn't is better to disable it
>>> for this patch to work as similar as possible that kswapd does and
>>> re-enable it
>>> on next patch? If something goes bad, it can simply be reverted.
>>>
>>> Look like it is even not mentioned in the description.
>>
>>
>> Yeah skip block information is discussed in the next patch, which mentions
>> that it's being reset and why. I think it makes more sense, as when kswapd
>
> Yes, I know.
> What I'd like to say here is that you need to care current_is_kswapd() in
> this patch. This patch unintentionally change the back ground compaction thread
> behaviour to restart compaction by every 64 trials because calling
> curret_is_kswapd()
> by kcompactd would return false and is treated as direct reclaim.
Oh, you mean this path to reset the skip bits. I see. But if skip bits
are already reset by kswapd when waking kcompactd, then effect of
another (rare) reset in kcompactd itself will be minimal?
> Result of patch 4
> and patch 5 would be same.
It's certainly possible to fold patch 5 into 4. I posted them separately
mainly to make review more feasible. But the differences in results are
already quite small.
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From: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
To: Joonsoo Kim <js1304@gmail.com>
Cc: Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/5] mm, kswapd: replace kswapd compaction with waking up kcompactd
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2016 15:09:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <56D6F41D.9080107@suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAmzW4PHAsMvifgV2FpS_FYE78_PzDtADvoBY67usc_9-D4Hjg@mail.gmail.com>
On 03/02/2016 02:57 PM, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
> 2016-03-02 19:04 GMT+09:00 Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>:
>> On 03/02/2016 07:33 AM, Joonsoo Kim wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Why you did the test with THP? THP interferes result of main test so
>>> it would be better not to enable it.
>>
>>
>> Hmm I've always left it enabled. It makes for a more realistic interference
>> and would also show unintended regressions in that closely related area.
>
> But, it makes review hard because complex analysis is needed to
> understand the result.
>
> Following is the example.
>
> "The compaction stalls
> (direct compaction) in the interfering kernel builds (probably THP's) also
> decreased somewhat to kcompactd activity, yet THP alloc successes improved a
> bit."
>
> So, why do we need this comment to understand effect of this patch? If you did
> a test without THP, it would not be necessary.
I see. Next time I'll do a run with THP disabled.
>>> And, this patch increased compaction activity (10 times for migrate
>>> scanned)
>>> may be due to resetting skip block information.
>>
>>
>> Note that kswapd compaction activity was completely non-existent for reasons
>> outlined in the changelog.
>>> Isn't is better to disable it
>>> for this patch to work as similar as possible that kswapd does and
>>> re-enable it
>>> on next patch? If something goes bad, it can simply be reverted.
>>>
>>> Look like it is even not mentioned in the description.
>>
>>
>> Yeah skip block information is discussed in the next patch, which mentions
>> that it's being reset and why. I think it makes more sense, as when kswapd
>
> Yes, I know.
> What I'd like to say here is that you need to care current_is_kswapd() in
> this patch. This patch unintentionally change the back ground compaction thread
> behaviour to restart compaction by every 64 trials because calling
> curret_is_kswapd()
> by kcompactd would return false and is treated as direct reclaim.
Oh, you mean this path to reset the skip bits. I see. But if skip bits
are already reset by kswapd when waking kcompactd, then effect of
another (rare) reset in kcompactd itself will be minimal?
> Result of patch 4
> and patch 5 would be same.
It's certainly possible to fold patch 5 into 4. I posted them separately
mainly to make review more feasible. But the differences in results are
already quite small.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-03-02 14:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-02-08 13:38 [PATCH v2 0/5] introduce kcompactd and stop compacting in kswapd Vlastimil Babka
2016-02-08 13:38 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-02-08 13:38 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] mm, kswapd: remove bogus check of balance_classzone_idx Vlastimil Babka
2016-02-08 13:38 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-02-08 13:38 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] mm, compaction: introduce kcompactd Vlastimil Babka
2016-02-08 13:38 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02 6:09 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 6:09 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 12:25 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02 12:25 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-02-08 13:38 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] mm, memory hotplug: small cleanup in online_pages() Vlastimil Babka
2016-02-08 13:38 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-02-08 13:38 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] mm, kswapd: replace kswapd compaction with waking up kcompactd Vlastimil Babka
2016-02-08 13:38 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-02-08 22:58 ` Andrew Morton
2016-02-08 22:58 ` Andrew Morton
2016-02-09 10:53 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-02-09 10:53 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-02-09 10:21 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-02-09 10:21 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-01 14:14 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-01 14:14 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02 6:33 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 6:33 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 10:04 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02 10:04 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02 13:57 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 13:57 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 14:09 ` Vlastimil Babka [this message]
2016-03-02 14:09 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02 14:22 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 14:22 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 14:40 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02 14:40 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02 14:59 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 14:59 ` Joonsoo Kim
2016-03-02 15:22 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02 15:22 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-04 23:25 ` Andrew Morton
2016-03-04 23:25 ` Andrew Morton
2016-03-07 9:45 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-07 9:45 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-09 13:47 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-09 13:47 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-09 13:50 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-09 13:50 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02 12:27 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-02 12:27 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-02-08 13:38 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] mm, compaction: adapt isolation_suitable flushing to kcompactd Vlastimil Babka
2016-02-08 13:38 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-01 14:44 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-01 14:44 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-09 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] introduce kcompactd and stop compacting in kswapd Michal Hocko
2016-03-09 15:52 ` Michal Hocko
2016-03-10 8:38 ` Vlastimil Babka
2016-03-10 8:38 ` Vlastimil Babka
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