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From: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
To: Yuyang Du <yuyang.du@intel.com>,
	peterz@infradead.org, mingo@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: bsegall@google.com, pjt@google.com, morten.rasmussen@arm.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, juri.lelli@arm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] sched/fair: Drop out incomplete current period when sched averages accrue
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 16:13:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <570E61FE.4060000@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1460327765-18024-3-git-send-email-yuyang.du@intel.com>

On 10/04/16 23:36, Yuyang Du wrote:
> In __update_load_avg(), the current period is never complete. This
> basically leads to a slightly over-decayed average, say on average we
> have 50% current period, then we will lose 1.08%(=(1-0.5^(1/64)) of
> past avg. More importantly, the incomplete current period significantly
> complicates the avg computation, even a full period is only about 1ms.
> 
> So we attempt to drop it. The outcome is that for any x.y periods to
> update, we will either lose the .y period or unduely gain (1-.y) period.
> How big is the impact? For a large x (say 20ms), you barely notice the
> difference, which is plus/minus 1% (=(before-after)/before). Moreover,
> the aggregated losses and gains in the long run should statistically
> even out.
> 

For a periodic task, the signals really get much more unstable. Even for
a steady state (load/util related) periodic task there is a meander
pattern which depends on if we for instance hit a dequeue (decay +
accrue) or an enqueue (decay only) after the 1ms has elapsed.

IMHO, 1ms is too big to create signals describing task and cpu load/util
signals given the current scheduler dynamics. We simply see too many
signal driving points (e.g. enqueue/dequeue) bailing out of
__update_load_avg().

Examples of 1 periodic task pinned to a cpu on an ARM64 system, HZ=250
in steady state:

(1) task runtime = 100us period = 200us

  pelt		load/util signal

  1us: 		488-491

  1ms: 		483-534

We get ~2 dequeues (load/util example: 493->504) and ~2 enqueues
(load/util example: 496->483) in the meander pattern in the 1ms case.

(2) task runtime = 100us period = 1000us

  pelt	 	load/util signal

  1us: 		103-105

  1ms: 		 84-145

We get ~3-4 dequeues (load/util example: 104->124->134->140) and ~16-20
enqueues (load/util example: 137->134->...->99->97) in the meander
pattern in the 1ms case.

[...]

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-04-13 15:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-10 22:36 [PATCH 0/4] Optimize sched avg computation and implement flat util hierarchy Yuyang Du
2016-04-10 22:36 ` [PATCH 1/4] sched/fair: Optimize sum computation with a lookup table Yuyang Du
2016-04-11  9:08   ` Vincent Guittot
2016-04-11 10:41   ` Juri Lelli
2016-04-11 19:12     ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-12 10:14       ` Juri Lelli
2016-04-12 18:07         ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-13  9:11           ` Juri Lelli
2016-04-11 16:59   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-04-11 19:17     ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-12 14:19       ` Peter Zijlstra
2016-04-12 18:12         ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-11 23:21     ` Joe Perches
2016-04-12 12:02       ` Juri Lelli
2016-04-11 23:07   ` Joe Perches
2016-04-10 22:36 ` [PATCH 2/4] sched/fair: Drop out incomplete current period when sched averages accrue Yuyang Du
2016-04-11  9:08   ` Vincent Guittot
2016-04-11 19:41     ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-12 11:56       ` Vincent Guittot
2016-04-12 21:09         ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-13 11:11           ` Vincent Guittot
2016-04-12 12:02   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-04-12 20:14     ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-13  4:04       ` Joe Perches
2016-04-13  8:40       ` Morten Rasmussen
2016-04-13 15:13   ` Dietmar Eggemann [this message]
2016-04-13 15:28     ` Vincent Guittot
2016-04-13 16:20       ` Vincent Guittot
2016-04-13 18:44       ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-14 12:52         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-04-14 20:05           ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-18 17:59             ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-10 22:36 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched/fair: Modify accumulated sums for load/util averages Yuyang Du
2016-04-11 17:14   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2016-04-10 22:36 ` [PATCH 4/4] sched/fair: Implement flat hierarchical structure for util_avg Yuyang Du
2016-04-11 12:29   ` Vincent Guittot
2016-04-11 20:37     ` Yuyang Du
2016-04-13 11:27       ` Vincent Guittot
2016-04-13 18:20         ` Yuyang Du

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