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From: Cole Robinson <crobinso@redhat.com>
To: libvirt-list@redhat.com, qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Cc: "Richard W.M. Jones" <rjones@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	Peter Krempa <pkrempa@redhat.com>,
	Amit Shah <amit.shah@redhat.com>,
	mik@miknet.net, jjaburek@redhat.com, hkario@redhat.com,
	sgrubb@redhat.com, hpa@zytor.com,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Subject: [Qemu-devel] RFC: virtio-rng and /dev/urandom
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2016 06:41:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5710C55E.3030000@redhat.com> (raw)

Libvirt currently rejects using host /dev/urandom as an input source for a
virtio-rng device. The only accepted sources are /dev/random and /dev/hwrng.
This is the result of discussions on qemu-devel around when the feature was
first added (2013). Examples:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2012-09/msg02387.html
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2013-03/threads.html#00023

libvirt's rejection of /dev/urandom has generated some complaints from users:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1074464
* cited: http://www.2uo.de/myths-about-urandom/
http://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2016-March/msg01062.html
http://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2016-April/msg00186.html

I think it's worth having another discussion about this, at least with a
recent argument in one place so we can put it to bed. I'm CCing a bunch of
people. I think the questions are:

1) is the original recommendation to never use virtio-rng+/dev/urandom correct?

2) regardless of #1, should we continue to reject that config in libvirt?

Thanks,
Cole

             reply	other threads:[~2016-04-15 10:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-15 10:41 Cole Robinson [this message]
2016-04-15 11:46 ` [Qemu-devel] RFC: virtio-rng and /dev/urandom Richard W.M. Jones
2016-04-15 11:54   ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Richard W.M. Jones
2016-04-20 22:48   ` [Qemu-devel] " Steve Grubb
2016-04-15 15:47 ` Eric Blake
2016-04-15 16:10   ` Hubert Kario
2016-04-16  0:46     ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-16  0:51     ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-16  8:31       ` Paolo Bonzini
2016-04-18  0:20         ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-18  0:27         ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-18 11:21           ` Hubert Kario
2016-04-18 11:00       ` Hubert Kario
2016-04-19 11:30   ` [Qemu-devel] [libvirt] " Yaniv Kaul
2016-04-15 15:56 ` [Qemu-devel] " H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-15 16:06   ` Hubert Kario
2016-04-18  9:28   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-04-18  9:46     ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-18 11:07       ` Hubert Kario
2016-04-18 11:26         ` Daniel P. Berrange
2016-04-18 21:45           ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-20 22:21 ` Cole Robinson

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