From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] vfs: Define new syscall getumask.
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 19:15:31 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <57144343.4090402@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160418021259.GB16600@x>
On 04/17/16 19:12, Josh Triplett wrote:
>>
>> I really like the 'libinux' idea, did anyone every hack up a first-pass
>> at this? And I'm guessing we have more syscalls now that would need to
>> be added (like getrandom(), but that shouldn't be too difficult.
>
> Personally, I'd suggest that libinux should wire up *all* (non-obsolete)
> syscalls, not just those that haven't already been exposed via any
> particular libc implementation. Each such syscall function would have
> minimal overhead, since unlike libc these wrappers would not have any
> special handling (other than use of the vdso) and would directly map to
> the kernel syscall signature. Given a standard prefix like sys_ or
> linux_, that would provide a clear distinction between direct-syscall
> functions and libc functions, and avoid any future conflict if libc adds
> a function named the same as the syscall.
>
> As a random example, sys_getpid() would *always* call the getpid
> syscall, rather than reading a cache within the library. (And
> sys_gettid would call the gettid syscall, rather than failing to exist.)
>
I'm not so sure this is a good idea. It has definite pros and cons. In
some ways it pushes it more to be like syscall(3).
-hpa
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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: "Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>,
Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
"Richard W.M. Jones" <rjones@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
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linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
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Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] vfs: Define new syscall getumask.
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 19:15:31 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <57144343.4090402@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160418021259.GB16600@x>
On 04/17/16 19:12, Josh Triplett wrote:
>>
>> I really like the 'libinux' idea, did anyone every hack up a first-pass
>> at this? And I'm guessing we have more syscalls now that would need to
>> be added (like getrandom(), but that shouldn't be too difficult.
>
> Personally, I'd suggest that libinux should wire up *all* (non-obsolete)
> syscalls, not just those that haven't already been exposed via any
> particular libc implementation. Each such syscall function would have
> minimal overhead, since unlike libc these wrappers would not have any
> special handling (other than use of the vdso) and would directly map to
> the kernel syscall signature. Given a standard prefix like sys_ or
> linux_, that would provide a clear distinction between direct-syscall
> functions and libc functions, and avoid any future conflict if libc adds
> a function named the same as the syscall.
>
> As a random example, sys_getpid() would *always* call the getpid
> syscall, rather than reading a cache within the library. (And
> sys_gettid would call the gettid syscall, rather than failing to exist.)
>
I'm not so sure this is a good idea. It has definite pros and cons. In
some ways it pushes it more to be like syscall(3).
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-04-18 2:15 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-04-13 12:57 [PATCH v2 0/2] vfs: Define new syscall getumask Richard W.M. Jones
2016-04-13 12:57 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2016-04-13 12:57 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] " Richard W.M. Jones
[not found] ` <1460552272-15985-2-git-send-email-rjones-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-13 13:20 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2016-04-13 13:20 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2016-04-13 13:57 ` Richard W.M. Jones
[not found] ` <20160413135708.GG11600-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-13 14:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-13 14:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-04-13 15:27 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-04-13 15:27 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <1460552272-15985-1-git-send-email-rjones-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-13 12:57 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] x86: Wire up new getumask system call on x86 Richard W.M. Jones
2016-04-13 12:57 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2016-04-13 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] vfs: Define new syscall getumask Greg KH
2016-04-13 13:59 ` Greg KH
2016-04-14 3:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2016-04-14 19:26 ` Greg KH
2016-04-13 15:39 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-04-13 15:39 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <2143735451.55767.1460561962122.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-13 21:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2016-04-13 21:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <1736004700.56566.1460581285951.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-14 2:13 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-04-14 2:13 ` Theodore Ts'o
[not found] ` <20160414021348.GB16656-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-18 0:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-18 0:38 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <57142C80.6070005-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-18 1:09 ` Greg KH
2016-04-18 1:09 ` Greg KH
[not found] ` <20160418010925.GA7800-U8xfFu+wG4EAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-18 2:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-18 2:02 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-18 2:12 ` Josh Triplett
2016-04-18 2:12 ` Josh Triplett
2016-04-18 2:15 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2016-04-18 2:15 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-18 2:37 ` Josh Triplett
2016-04-18 2:37 ` Josh Triplett
2016-04-18 3:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-18 3:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <57144DE6.9050409-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-18 11:39 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-04-18 11:39 ` Theodore Ts'o
2016-04-14 17:56 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-14 17:56 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-13 15:41 ` Colin Walters
2016-04-13 15:41 ` Colin Walters
[not found] ` <1460562105.353100.577697153.013DF466-2RFepEojUI2N1INw9kWLP6GC3tUn3ZHUQQ4Iyu8u01E@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-13 16:03 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2016-04-13 16:03 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2016-04-18 1:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-18 1:42 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] ` <57143B74.3070302-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-04-18 1:57 ` Josh Triplett
2016-04-18 1:57 ` Josh Triplett
2016-04-18 9:14 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2016-04-18 9:14 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2016-04-18 10:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
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