From: Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Vishal Verma <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
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Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 5/7] fs: prioritize and separate direct_io from dax_io
Date: Mon, 02 May 2016 22:22:10 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5727A8E2.8000507@plexistor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4i3QteM508fVams8DxzoPTo5AXT6RQQ4=gR-iAN-B4-6g@mail.gmail.com>
On 05/02/2016 09:48 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
<>
>> And then it keeps broken the aligned buffered writes, which are still
>> broken after this set.
>
> ...identical to the current situation with a traditional disk.
>
Not true!! please see what I wrote "aligned buffered writes"
If there are no reads involved then there are no errors returned
to application.
>> I have by now read the v2 patches. And I think you guys did not yet try
>> the proper fix for dax_do_io. I think you need to go deeper into the loops
>> and selectively call bdev_* when error on a specific page copy. No need to
>> go through direct_IO path at all.
>
> We still reach a point where the minimum granularity of
> bdev_direct_access() is larger than a sector, so you end up still
> needing to have the application understand how to send a properly
> aligned I/O. The semantics of how to send a properly aligned
> direct-I/O are already well understood, so we simply reuse that path.
>
You are making a mountain out of a mouse. The simple copy of a file
from start (offset ZERO) to end-of-file which is the most common usage
on earth is perfectly aligned and needs not any O_DIRECT and is what is used
everywhere.
>> Do you need that I send you a patch to demonstrate what I mean?
>
> I remain skeptical of what you are proposing, but yes, a patch has a
> better chance to move the discussion forward.
>
Sigh! OK
Boaz
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From: Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Vishal Verma <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
XFS Developers <xfs@oss.sgi.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>,
Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 5/7] fs: prioritize and separate direct_io from dax_io
Date: Mon, 02 May 2016 22:22:10 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5727A8E2.8000507@plexistor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4i3QteM508fVams8DxzoPTo5AXT6RQQ4=gR-iAN-B4-6g@mail.gmail.com>
On 05/02/2016 09:48 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
<>
>> And then it keeps broken the aligned buffered writes, which are still
>> broken after this set.
>
> ...identical to the current situation with a traditional disk.
>
Not true!! please see what I wrote "aligned buffered writes"
If there are no reads involved then there are no errors returned
to application.
>> I have by now read the v2 patches. And I think you guys did not yet try
>> the proper fix for dax_do_io. I think you need to go deeper into the loops
>> and selectively call bdev_* when error on a specific page copy. No need to
>> go through direct_IO path at all.
>
> We still reach a point where the minimum granularity of
> bdev_direct_access() is larger than a sector, so you end up still
> needing to have the application understand how to send a properly
> aligned I/O. The semantics of how to send a properly aligned
> direct-I/O are already well understood, so we simply reuse that path.
>
You are making a mountain out of a mouse. The simple copy of a file
from start (offset ZERO) to end-of-file which is the most common usage
on earth is perfectly aligned and needs not any O_DIRECT and is what is used
everywhere.
>> Do you need that I send you a patch to demonstrate what I mean?
>
> I remain skeptical of what you are proposing, but yes, a patch has a
> better chance to move the discussion forward.
>
Sigh! OK
Boaz
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To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 5/7] fs: prioritize and separate direct_io from dax_io
Date: Mon, 02 May 2016 22:22:10 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5727A8E2.8000507@plexistor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4i3QteM508fVams8DxzoPTo5AXT6RQQ4=gR-iAN-B4-6g@mail.gmail.com>
On 05/02/2016 09:48 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
<>
>> And then it keeps broken the aligned buffered writes, which are still
>> broken after this set.
>
> ...identical to the current situation with a traditional disk.
>
Not true!! please see what I wrote "aligned buffered writes"
If there are no reads involved then there are no errors returned
to application.
>> I have by now read the v2 patches. And I think you guys did not yet try
>> the proper fix for dax_do_io. I think you need to go deeper into the loops
>> and selectively call bdev_* when error on a specific page copy. No need to
>> go through direct_IO path at all.
>
> We still reach a point where the minimum granularity of
> bdev_direct_access() is larger than a sector, so you end up still
> needing to have the application understand how to send a properly
> aligned I/O. The semantics of how to send a properly aligned
> direct-I/O are already well understood, so we simply reuse that path.
>
You are making a mountain out of a mouse. The simple copy of a file
from start (offset ZERO) to end-of-file which is the most common usage
on earth is perfectly aligned and needs not any O_DIRECT and is what is used
everywhere.
>> Do you need that I send you a patch to demonstrate what I mean?
>
> I remain skeptical of what you are proposing, but yes, a patch has a
> better chance to move the discussion forward.
>
Sigh! OK
Boaz
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From: Boaz Harrosh <boaz@plexistor.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>,
Vishal Verma <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
XFS Developers <xfs@oss.sgi.com>,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 5/7] fs: prioritize and separate direct_io from dax_io
Date: Mon, 02 May 2016 22:22:10 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5727A8E2.8000507@plexistor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4i3QteM508fVams8DxzoPTo5AXT6RQQ4=gR-iAN-B4-6g@mail.gmail.com>
On 05/02/2016 09:48 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
<>
>> And then it keeps broken the aligned buffered writes, which are still
>> broken after this set.
>
> ...identical to the current situation with a traditional disk.
>
Not true!! please see what I wrote "aligned buffered writes"
If there are no reads involved then there are no errors returned
to application.
>> I have by now read the v2 patches. And I think you guys did not yet try
>> the proper fix for dax_do_io. I think you need to go deeper into the loops
>> and selectively call bdev_* when error on a specific page copy. No need to
>> go through direct_IO path at all.
>
> We still reach a point where the minimum granularity of
> bdev_direct_access() is larger than a sector, so you end up still
> needing to have the application understand how to send a properly
> aligned I/O. The semantics of how to send a properly aligned
> direct-I/O are already well understood, so we simply reuse that path.
>
You are making a mountain out of a mouse. The simple copy of a file
from start (offset ZERO) to end-of-file which is the most common usage
on earth is perfectly aligned and needs not any O_DIRECT and is what is used
everywhere.
>> Do you need that I send you a patch to demonstrate what I mean?
>
> I remain skeptical of what you are proposing, but yes, a patch has a
> better chance to move the discussion forward.
>
Sigh! OK
Boaz
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To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>
Cc: Vishal Verma <vishal.l.verma@intel.com>,
"linux-nvdimm@lists.01.org" <linux-nvdimm@ml01.01.org>,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Matthew Wilcox <matthew@freeurl.abc188.com>,
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
XFS Developers <xfs@oss.sgi.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>,
Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 5/7] fs: prioritize and separate direct_io from dax_io
Date: Mon, 02 May 2016 22:22:10 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5727A8E2.8000507@plexistor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4i3QteM508fVams8DxzoPTo5AXT6RQQ4=gR-iAN-B4-6g@mail.gmail.com>
On 05/02/2016 09:48 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
<>
>> And then it keeps broken the aligned buffered writes, which are still
>> broken after this set.
>
> ...identical to the current situation with a traditional disk.
>
Not true!! please see what I wrote "aligned buffered writes"
If there are no reads involved then there are no errors returned
to application.
>> I have by now read the v2 patches. And I think you guys did not yet try
>> the proper fix for dax_do_io. I think you need to go deeper into the loops
>> and selectively call bdev_* when error on a specific page copy. No need to
>> go through direct_IO path at all.
>
> We still reach a point where the minimum granularity of
> bdev_direct_access() is larger than a sector, so you end up still
> needing to have the application understand how to send a properly
> aligned I/O. The semantics of how to send a properly aligned
> direct-I/O are already well understood, so we simply reuse that path.
>
You are making a mountain out of a mouse. The simple copy of a file
from start (offset ZERO) to end-of-file which is the most common usage
on earth is perfectly aligned and needs not any O_DIRECT and is what is used
everywhere.
>> Do you need that I send you a patch to demonstrate what I mean?
>
> I remain skeptical of what you are proposing, but yes, a patch has a
> better chance to move the discussion forward.
>
Sigh! OK
Boaz
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-05-02 19:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-04-28 21:16 [PATCH v4 0/7] dax: handling media errors Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 1/7] block, dax: pass blk_dax_ctl through to drivers Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 2/7] dax: fallback from pmd to pte on error Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 3/7] dax: enable dax in the presence of known media errors (badblocks) Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 4/7] dax: use sb_issue_zerout instead of calling dax_clear_sectors Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 5/7] fs: prioritize and separate direct_io from dax_io Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 14:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-05-02 14:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-05-02 14:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-05-02 14:56 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-05-02 15:45 ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 15:45 ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 15:45 ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 15:45 ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 15:45 ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 15:41 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 15:41 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 15:41 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 15:41 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 15:41 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 15:51 ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 15:51 ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 15:51 ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 15:51 ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 15:51 ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 15:51 ` Vishal Verma
2016-05-02 16:03 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 16:03 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 16:03 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 16:03 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 16:03 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 18:52 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-02 18:52 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-02 18:52 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-02 18:52 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-02 18:52 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-02 16:01 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 16:01 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 16:01 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 16:01 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 16:01 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 16:22 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 16:22 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 16:22 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 16:22 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 16:22 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 16:49 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 16:49 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 16:49 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 16:49 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 16:49 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 17:44 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 17:44 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 17:44 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 17:44 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 17:44 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 18:10 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 18:10 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 18:10 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 18:10 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 18:10 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 18:32 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 18:32 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 18:32 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 18:32 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 18:48 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 18:48 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 18:48 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 18:48 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 18:48 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-02 19:22 ` Boaz Harrosh [this message]
2016-05-02 19:22 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 19:22 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 19:22 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-02 19:22 ` Boaz Harrosh
2016-05-05 14:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-05-05 14:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-05-05 14:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-05-05 14:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-05-05 15:15 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-05 15:15 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-05 15:15 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-05 15:15 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-05 15:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-05-05 15:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-05-05 15:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-05-05 15:22 ` Christoph Hellwig
2016-05-05 16:24 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-05 16:24 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-05 16:24 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-05 16:24 ` Dan Williams
2016-05-05 21:45 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-05 21:45 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-05 21:45 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-05 21:45 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-08 9:01 ` hch
2016-05-08 9:01 ` hch
2016-05-08 9:01 ` hch
2016-05-08 9:01 ` hch
2016-05-08 18:42 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-08 18:42 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-08 18:42 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-08 18:42 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-05 21:42 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-05 21:42 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-05 21:42 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-05 21:42 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-05 21:39 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-05 21:39 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-05 21:39 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-05 21:39 ` Verma, Vishal L
2016-05-08 9:01 ` hch
2016-05-08 9:01 ` hch
2016-05-08 9:01 ` hch
2016-05-08 9:01 ` hch
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 6/7] dax: for truncate/hole-punch, do zeroing through the driver if possible Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` [PATCH v4 7/7] dax: fix a comment in dax_zero_page_range and dax_truncate_page Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-28 21:16 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-29 21:55 ` [PATCH v4 8/7] Documentation: add error handling information to dax.txt Vishal Verma
2016-04-29 21:55 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-29 21:55 ` Vishal Verma
2016-04-29 21:55 ` Vishal Verma
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