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From: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
To: Dongjiu Geng <gengdongjiu@huawei.com>
Cc: christoffer.dall@linaro.org, marc.zyngier@arm.com,
	rkrcmar@redhat.com, linux@armlinux.org.uk,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, will.deacon@arm.com, lenb@kernel.org,
	robert.moore@intel.com, lv.zheng@intel.com, mark.rutland@arm.com,
	xiexiuqi@huawei.com, cov@codeaurora.org, david.daney@cavium.com,
	suzuki.poulose@arm.com, stefan@hello-penguin.com,
	Dave.Martin@arm.com, kristina.martsenko@arm.com,
	wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com, tbaicar@codeaurora.org,
	ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org, mingo@kernel.org, bp@suse.de,
	shiju.jose@huawei.com, zjzhang@codeaurora.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	devel@acpica.org, mst@redhat.com, john.garry@huawei.com,
	jonathan.cameron@huawei.com, shameerali.kolot
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 4/7] arm64: kvm: support user space to query RAS extension feature
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 19:04:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <59A84F9D.8030309@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1503916701-13516-5-git-send-email-gengdongjiu@huawei.com>

Hi Dongjiu Geng,

On 28/08/17 11:38, Dongjiu Geng wrote:
> In ARMV8.2 RAS extension, a virtual SError exception syndrome
> register(VSESR_EL2) is added.  This value may be specified from
> userspace.

I agree that the CPU support for injecting SErrors with a specified ESR should
be exposed to KVM's user space...


> Userspace will want to check if the CPU has the RAS
> extension. 

... but user-space wants to know if it can inject SErrors with a specified ESR.

What if we gain another way of doing this that isn't via the RAS-extensions, now
user-space has to check for two capabilities.


> If it has, it wil specify the virtual SError syndrome
> value, otherwise it will not be set. This patch adds support for
> querying the availability of this extension.

I'm against telling user-space what features the CPU has unless it can use them
directly. In this case we are talking about a KVM API, so we should describe the
API not the CPU.


> diff --git a/arch/arm64/kvm/reset.c b/arch/arm64/kvm/reset.c
> index 3256b9228e75..b7313ee028e9 100644
> --- a/arch/arm64/kvm/reset.c
> +++ b/arch/arm64/kvm/reset.c
> @@ -77,6 +77,9 @@ int kvm_arch_dev_ioctl_check_extension(struct kvm *kvm, long ext)
>  	case KVM_CAP_ARM_PMU_V3:
>  		r = kvm_arm_support_pmu_v3();
>  		break;
> +	case KVM_CAP_ARM_RAS_EXTENSION:

This should be called something more like 'KVM_CAP_ARM_INJECT_SERROR_ESR'


> +		r = cpus_have_const_cap(ARM64_HAS_RAS_EXTN);
> +		break;
>  	case KVM_CAP_SET_GUEST_DEBUG:
>  	case KVM_CAP_VCPU_ATTRIBUTES:
>  		r = 1;


We can inject SError on systems without the RAS extensions using just the
HCR_EL2.VSE bit. We may want to make the 'ESR' part of the API optional, or
expose '1' for the without-ESR version and '2 for with-ESR, (however we choose
to implement that).

The risk is if we want to add a without-ESR version later, and the name we make
ABI now turned out to be a mistake. Marc or Christoffer probably have the best
view of this. (no-one has needed it so far...)


Thanks,

James

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: james.morse@arm.com (James Morse)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v6 4/7] arm64: kvm: support user space to query RAS extension feature
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 19:04:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <59A84F9D.8030309@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1503916701-13516-5-git-send-email-gengdongjiu@huawei.com>

Hi Dongjiu Geng,

On 28/08/17 11:38, Dongjiu Geng wrote:
> In ARMV8.2 RAS extension, a virtual SError exception syndrome
> register(VSESR_EL2) is added.  This value may be specified from
> userspace.

I agree that the CPU support for injecting SErrors with a specified ESR should
be exposed to KVM's user space...


> Userspace will want to check if the CPU has the RAS
> extension. 

... but user-space wants to know if it can inject SErrors with a specified ESR.

What if we gain another way of doing this that isn't via the RAS-extensions, now
user-space has to check for two capabilities.


> If it has, it wil specify the virtual SError syndrome
> value, otherwise it will not be set. This patch adds support for
> querying the availability of this extension.

I'm against telling user-space what features the CPU has unless it can use them
directly. In this case we are talking about a KVM API, so we should describe the
API not the CPU.


> diff --git a/arch/arm64/kvm/reset.c b/arch/arm64/kvm/reset.c
> index 3256b9228e75..b7313ee028e9 100644
> --- a/arch/arm64/kvm/reset.c
> +++ b/arch/arm64/kvm/reset.c
> @@ -77,6 +77,9 @@ int kvm_arch_dev_ioctl_check_extension(struct kvm *kvm, long ext)
>  	case KVM_CAP_ARM_PMU_V3:
>  		r = kvm_arm_support_pmu_v3();
>  		break;
> +	case KVM_CAP_ARM_RAS_EXTENSION:

This should be called something more like 'KVM_CAP_ARM_INJECT_SERROR_ESR'


> +		r = cpus_have_const_cap(ARM64_HAS_RAS_EXTN);
> +		break;
>  	case KVM_CAP_SET_GUEST_DEBUG:
>  	case KVM_CAP_VCPU_ATTRIBUTES:
>  		r = 1;


We can inject SError on systems without the RAS extensions using just the
HCR_EL2.VSE bit. We may want to make the 'ESR' part of the API optional, or
expose '1' for the without-ESR version and '2 for with-ESR, (however we choose
to implement that).

The risk is if we want to add a without-ESR version later, and the name we make
ABI now turned out to be a mistake. Marc or Christoffer probably have the best
view of this. (no-one has needed it so far...)


Thanks,

James

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>
To: Dongjiu Geng <gengdongjiu@huawei.com>
Cc: christoffer.dall@linaro.org, marc.zyngier@arm.com,
	rkrcmar@redhat.com, linux@armlinux.org.uk,
	catalin.marinas@arm.com, will.deacon@arm.com, lenb@kernel.org,
	robert.moore@intel.com, lv.zheng@intel.com, mark.rutland@arm.com,
	xiexiuqi@huawei.com, cov@codeaurora.org, david.daney@cavium.com,
	suzuki.poulose@arm.com, stefan@hello-penguin.com,
	Dave.Martin@arm.com, kristina.martsenko@arm.com,
	wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com, tbaicar@codeaurora.org,
	ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org, mingo@kernel.org, bp@suse.de,
	shiju.jose@huawei.com, zjzhang@codeaurora.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	kvmarm@lists.cs.columbia.edu, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-acpi@vger.kernel.org,
	devel@acpica.org, mst@redhat.com, john.garry@huawei.com,
	jonathan.cameron@huawei.com,
	shameerali.kolothum.thodi@huawei.com, huangdaode@hisilicon.com,
	wangzhou1@hisilicon.com, huangshaoyu@huawei.com,
	wuquanming@huawei.com, linuxarm@huawei.com,
	zhengqiang10@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 4/7] arm64: kvm: support user space to query RAS extension feature
Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2017 19:04:13 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <59A84F9D.8030309@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1503916701-13516-5-git-send-email-gengdongjiu@huawei.com>

Hi Dongjiu Geng,

On 28/08/17 11:38, Dongjiu Geng wrote:
> In ARMV8.2 RAS extension, a virtual SError exception syndrome
> register(VSESR_EL2) is added.  This value may be specified from
> userspace.

I agree that the CPU support for injecting SErrors with a specified ESR should
be exposed to KVM's user space...


> Userspace will want to check if the CPU has the RAS
> extension. 

... but user-space wants to know if it can inject SErrors with a specified ESR.

What if we gain another way of doing this that isn't via the RAS-extensions, now
user-space has to check for two capabilities.


> If it has, it wil specify the virtual SError syndrome
> value, otherwise it will not be set. This patch adds support for
> querying the availability of this extension.

I'm against telling user-space what features the CPU has unless it can use them
directly. In this case we are talking about a KVM API, so we should describe the
API not the CPU.


> diff --git a/arch/arm64/kvm/reset.c b/arch/arm64/kvm/reset.c
> index 3256b9228e75..b7313ee028e9 100644
> --- a/arch/arm64/kvm/reset.c
> +++ b/arch/arm64/kvm/reset.c
> @@ -77,6 +77,9 @@ int kvm_arch_dev_ioctl_check_extension(struct kvm *kvm, long ext)
>  	case KVM_CAP_ARM_PMU_V3:
>  		r = kvm_arm_support_pmu_v3();
>  		break;
> +	case KVM_CAP_ARM_RAS_EXTENSION:

This should be called something more like 'KVM_CAP_ARM_INJECT_SERROR_ESR'


> +		r = cpus_have_const_cap(ARM64_HAS_RAS_EXTN);
> +		break;
>  	case KVM_CAP_SET_GUEST_DEBUG:
>  	case KVM_CAP_VCPU_ATTRIBUTES:
>  		r = 1;


We can inject SError on systems without the RAS extensions using just the
HCR_EL2.VSE bit. We may want to make the 'ESR' part of the API optional, or
expose '1' for the without-ESR version and '2 for with-ESR, (however we choose
to implement that).

The risk is if we want to add a without-ESR version later, and the name we make
ABI now turned out to be a mistake. Marc or Christoffer probably have the best
view of this. (no-one has needed it so far...)


Thanks,

James

  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-31 18:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 176+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-28 10:38 [PATCH v6 0/7] Add RAS virtualization support for SEA/SEI notification type in KVM Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38 ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38 ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38 ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38 ` [PATCH v6 1/7] arm64: cpufeature: Detect CPU RAS Extentions Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-31 17:44   ` James Morse
2017-08-31 17:44     ` James Morse
2017-08-31 17:44     ` James Morse
2017-09-04 11:20     ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-04 11:20       ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-04 11:20       ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-04 11:20       ` gengdongjiu
2017-08-28 10:38 ` [PATCH v6 2/7] KVM: arm64: Save ESR_EL2 on guest SError Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38 ` [PATCH v6 3/7] acpi: apei: remove the unused code Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-31 17:50   ` James Morse
2017-08-31 17:50     ` James Morse
2017-08-31 17:50     ` James Morse
2017-09-04 11:43     ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-04 11:43       ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-04 11:43       ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-04 11:43       ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-08 18:17       ` [Devel] " James Morse
2017-09-08 18:17         ` James Morse
2017-09-08 18:17         ` James Morse
2017-09-08 18:17         ` James Morse
2017-09-11 12:04         ` [Devel] " gengdongjiu
2017-09-11 12:04           ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-11 12:04           ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-11 12:04           ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-11 12:04           ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-14 12:35           ` James Morse
2017-09-14 12:35             ` James Morse
2017-09-14 12:35             ` James Morse
2017-09-14 12:51             ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-14 12:51               ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-14 12:51               ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-14 12:51               ` gengdongjiu
2017-08-28 10:38 ` [PATCH v6 4/7] arm64: kvm: support user space to query RAS extension feature Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-31 18:04   ` James Morse [this message]
2017-08-31 18:04     ` James Morse
2017-08-31 18:04     ` James Morse
2017-09-05  7:18     ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-05  7:18       ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-05  7:18       ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-07 16:31       ` [Devel] " James Morse
2017-09-07 16:31         ` James Morse
2017-09-07 16:31         ` James Morse
2017-09-07 16:31         ` James Morse
2017-09-08 14:34         ` 答复: " gengdongjiu
2017-09-08 14:34           ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-08 14:34           ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-08 15:03           ` Peter Maydell
2017-09-08 15:03             ` Peter Maydell
2017-09-08 15:03             ` Peter Maydell
2017-09-14 12:34             ` James Morse
2017-09-14 12:34               ` James Morse
2017-09-14 12:34               ` James Morse
2017-09-08 17:36         ` [Devel] " gengdongjiu
2017-09-08 17:36           ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-08 17:36           ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-08 17:36           ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-14 12:38           ` James Morse
2017-09-14 12:38             ` James Morse
2017-09-14 12:38             ` James Morse
2017-08-28 10:38 ` [PATCH v6 5/7] arm64: kvm: route synchronous external abort exceptions to el2 Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-09-07 16:31   ` [Devel] " James Morse
2017-09-07 16:31     ` James Morse
2017-09-07 16:31     ` James Morse
2017-09-07 16:31     ` James Morse
2017-09-14 11:12     ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-14 11:12       ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-14 11:12       ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-14 11:12       ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-14 12:36       ` James Morse
2017-09-14 12:36         ` James Morse
2017-09-14 12:36         ` James Morse
2017-10-16 11:44       ` James Morse
2017-10-16 11:44         ` James Morse
2017-10-16 11:44         ` James Morse
2017-10-16 13:44         ` gengdongjiu
2017-10-16 13:44           ` gengdongjiu
2017-10-16 13:44           ` gengdongjiu
2017-08-28 10:38 ` [PATCH v6 6/7] KVM: arm64: allow get exception information from userspace Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-09-07 16:30   ` [Devel] " James Morse
2017-09-07 16:30     ` James Morse
2017-09-07 16:30     ` James Morse
2017-09-07 16:30     ` James Morse
2017-09-13  7:32     ` [Devel] " gengdongjiu
2017-09-13  7:32       ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-13  7:32       ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-13  7:32       ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-13  7:32       ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-14 13:00       ` James Morse
2017-09-14 13:00         ` James Morse
2017-09-14 13:00         ` James Morse
2017-09-18 13:36         ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-18 13:36           ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-18 13:36           ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-18 13:36           ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-22 16:39           ` James Morse
2017-09-22 16:39             ` James Morse
2017-09-22 16:39             ` James Morse
2017-09-25 15:13             ` 答复: " gengdongjiu
2017-09-25 15:13               ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-25 15:13               ` gengdongjiu
2017-10-06 16:46               ` James Morse
2017-10-06 16:46                 ` James Morse
2017-10-06 16:46                 ` James Morse
2017-10-19  5:48                 ` gengdongjiu
2017-10-19  5:48                   ` gengdongjiu
2017-10-19  5:48                   ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-21  7:55         ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-21  7:55           ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-21  7:55           ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-21  7:55           ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-22 16:51           ` James Morse
2017-09-22 16:51             ` James Morse
2017-09-22 16:51             ` James Morse
2017-09-27 11:07             ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-27 11:07               ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-27 11:07               ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-27 11:07               ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-27 15:37               ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-27 15:37                 ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-27 15:37                 ` gengdongjiu
2017-10-06 17:31               ` James Morse
2017-10-06 17:31                 ` James Morse
2017-10-06 17:31                 ` James Morse
2017-10-19  7:49                 ` gengdongjiu
2017-10-19  7:49                   ` gengdongjiu
2017-10-19  7:49                   ` gengdongjiu
2017-10-19  7:49                   ` gengdongjiu
2017-08-28 10:38 ` [PATCH v6 7/7] arm64: kvm: handle SEI notification and pass the virtual syndrome Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-28 10:38   ` Dongjiu Geng
2017-08-31 17:43 ` [PATCH v6 0/7] Add RAS virtualization support for SEA/SEI notification type in KVM James Morse
2017-08-31 17:43   ` James Morse
2017-08-31 17:43   ` James Morse
2017-09-04 11:10   ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-04 11:10     ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-04 11:10     ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-04 11:10     ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-06 11:19 ` Peter Maydell
2017-09-06 11:19   ` Peter Maydell
2017-09-06 11:19   ` Peter Maydell
2017-09-06 11:29   ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-06 11:29     ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-06 11:29     ` gengdongjiu
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-09-07 16:32 [Devel] " James Morse
2017-09-07 16:32 ` James Morse
2017-09-07 16:32 ` James Morse
2017-09-07 16:32 ` James Morse
2017-09-13  8:12 [Devel] [PATCH v6 5/7] arm64: kvm: route synchronous external abort exceptions to el2 gengdongjiu
2017-09-13  8:12 ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-13  8:12 ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-13  8:12 ` gengdongjiu
2017-09-13  8:12 ` gengdongjiu

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