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From: Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@intel.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>, willy@infradead.org
Cc: virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, mst@redhat.com,
	mhocko@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	mawilcox@microsoft.com, david@redhat.com,
	cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com, mgorman@techsingularity.net,
	aarcange@redhat.com, amit.shah@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	liliang.opensource@gmail.com, yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com,
	quan.xu@aliyun.com, nilal@redhat.com, riel@redhat.com
Subject: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH v19 3/7] xbitmap: add more operations
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:05:28 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5A3776C8.1040801@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201712180016.GHD34301.MQOLOFFJHOVFtS@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>

On 12/17/2017 11:16 PM, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> Wang, Wei W wrote:
>>> Wei Wang wrote:
>>>>> But passing GFP_NOWAIT means that we can handle allocation failure.
>>>>> There is no need to use preload approach when we can handle allocation failure.
>>>> I think the reason we need xb_preload is because radix tree insertion
>>>> needs the memory being preallocated already (it couldn't suffer from
>>>> memory failure during the process of inserting, probably because
>>>> handling the failure there isn't easy, Matthew may know the backstory
>>>> of
>>>> this)
>>> According to https://lwn.net/Articles/175432/ , I think that preloading is
>>> needed only when failure to insert an item into a radix tree is a significant
>>> problem.
>>> That is, when failure to insert an item into a radix tree is not a problem, I
>>> think that we don't need to use preloading.
>> It also mentions that the preload attempts to allocate sufficient memory to *guarantee* that the next radix tree insertion cannot fail.
>>
>> If we check radix_tree_node_alloc(), the comments there says "this assumes that the caller has performed appropriate preallocation".
> If you read what radix_tree_node_alloc() is doing, you will find that
> radix_tree_node_alloc() returns NULL when memory allocation failed.
>
> I think that "this assumes that the caller has performed appropriate preallocation"
> means "The caller has to perform appropriate preallocation if the caller does not
> want radix_tree_node_alloc() to return NULL".

For the radix tree, I agree that we may not need preload. But 
ida_bitmap, which the xbitmap is based on, is allocated via preload, so 
I think we cannot bypass preload, otherwise, we get no ida_bitmap to use.

Best,
Wei





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From: Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@intel.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>, willy@infradead.org
Cc: virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, mst@redhat.com,
	mhocko@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	mawilcox@microsoft.com, david@redhat.com,
	cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com, mgorman@techsingularity.net,
	aarcange@redhat.com, amit.shah@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	liliang.opensource@gmail.com, yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com,
	quan.xu@aliyun.com, nilal@redhat.com, riel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v19 3/7] xbitmap: add more operations
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:05:28 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5A3776C8.1040801@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201712180016.GHD34301.MQOLOFFJHOVFtS@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>

On 12/17/2017 11:16 PM, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> Wang, Wei W wrote:
>>> Wei Wang wrote:
>>>>> But passing GFP_NOWAIT means that we can handle allocation failure.
>>>>> There is no need to use preload approach when we can handle allocation failure.
>>>> I think the reason we need xb_preload is because radix tree insertion
>>>> needs the memory being preallocated already (it couldn't suffer from
>>>> memory failure during the process of inserting, probably because
>>>> handling the failure there isn't easy, Matthew may know the backstory
>>>> of
>>>> this)
>>> According to https://lwn.net/Articles/175432/ , I think that preloading is
>>> needed only when failure to insert an item into a radix tree is a significant
>>> problem.
>>> That is, when failure to insert an item into a radix tree is not a problem, I
>>> think that we don't need to use preloading.
>> It also mentions that the preload attempts to allocate sufficient memory to *guarantee* that the next radix tree insertion cannot fail.
>>
>> If we check radix_tree_node_alloc(), the comments there says "this assumes that the caller has performed appropriate preallocation".
> If you read what radix_tree_node_alloc() is doing, you will find that
> radix_tree_node_alloc() returns NULL when memory allocation failed.
>
> I think that "this assumes that the caller has performed appropriate preallocation"
> means "The caller has to perform appropriate preallocation if the caller does not
> want radix_tree_node_alloc() to return NULL".

For the radix tree, I agree that we may not need preload. But 
ida_bitmap, which the xbitmap is based on, is allocated via preload, so 
I think we cannot bypass preload, otherwise, we get no ida_bitmap to use.

Best,
Wei




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From: Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@intel.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>, willy@infradead.org
Cc: virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, mst@redhat.com,
	mhocko@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	mawilcox@microsoft.com, david@redhat.com,
	cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com, mgorman@techsingularity.net,
	aarcange@redhat.com, amit.shah@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	liliang.opensource@gmail.com, yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com,
	quan.xu@aliyun.com, nilal@redhat.com, riel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v19 3/7] xbitmap: add more operations
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:05:28 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5A3776C8.1040801@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201712180016.GHD34301.MQOLOFFJHOVFtS@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>

On 12/17/2017 11:16 PM, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> Wang, Wei W wrote:
>>> Wei Wang wrote:
>>>>> But passing GFP_NOWAIT means that we can handle allocation failure.
>>>>> There is no need to use preload approach when we can handle allocation failure.
>>>> I think the reason we need xb_preload is because radix tree insertion
>>>> needs the memory being preallocated already (it couldn't suffer from
>>>> memory failure during the process of inserting, probably because
>>>> handling the failure there isn't easy, Matthew may know the backstory
>>>> of
>>>> this)
>>> According to https://lwn.net/Articles/175432/ , I think that preloading is
>>> needed only when failure to insert an item into a radix tree is a significant
>>> problem.
>>> That is, when failure to insert an item into a radix tree is not a problem, I
>>> think that we don't need to use preloading.
>> It also mentions that the preload attempts to allocate sufficient memory to *guarantee* that the next radix tree insertion cannot fail.
>>
>> If we check radix_tree_node_alloc(), the comments there says "this assumes that the caller has performed appropriate preallocation".
> If you read what radix_tree_node_alloc() is doing, you will find that
> radix_tree_node_alloc() returns NULL when memory allocation failed.
>
> I think that "this assumes that the caller has performed appropriate preallocation"
> means "The caller has to perform appropriate preallocation if the caller does not
> want radix_tree_node_alloc() to return NULL".

For the radix tree, I agree that we may not need preload. But 
ida_bitmap, which the xbitmap is based on, is allocated via preload, so 
I think we cannot bypass preload, otherwise, we get no ida_bitmap to use.

Best,
Wei

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@intel.com>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>, willy@infradead.org
Cc: virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, mst@redhat.com,
	mhocko@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	mawilcox@microsoft.com, david@redhat.com,
	cornelia.huck@de.ibm.com, mgorman@techsingularity.net,
	aarcange@redhat.com, amit.shah@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	liliang.opensource@gmail.com, yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com,
	quan.xu@aliyun.com, nilal@redhat.com, riel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v19 3/7] xbitmap: add more operations
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 16:05:28 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5A3776C8.1040801@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201712180016.GHD34301.MQOLOFFJHOVFtS@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>

On 12/17/2017 11:16 PM, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> Wang, Wei W wrote:
>>> Wei Wang wrote:
>>>>> But passing GFP_NOWAIT means that we can handle allocation failure.
>>>>> There is no need to use preload approach when we can handle allocation failure.
>>>> I think the reason we need xb_preload is because radix tree insertion
>>>> needs the memory being preallocated already (it couldn't suffer from
>>>> memory failure during the process of inserting, probably because
>>>> handling the failure there isn't easy, Matthew may know the backstory
>>>> of
>>>> this)
>>> According to https://lwn.net/Articles/175432/ , I think that preloading is
>>> needed only when failure to insert an item into a radix tree is a significant
>>> problem.
>>> That is, when failure to insert an item into a radix tree is not a problem, I
>>> think that we don't need to use preloading.
>> It also mentions that the preload attempts to allocate sufficient memory to *guarantee* that the next radix tree insertion cannot fail.
>>
>> If we check radix_tree_node_alloc(), the comments there says "this assumes that the caller has performed appropriate preallocation".
> If you read what radix_tree_node_alloc() is doing, you will find that
> radix_tree_node_alloc() returns NULL when memory allocation failed.
>
> I think that "this assumes that the caller has performed appropriate preallocation"
> means "The caller has to perform appropriate preallocation if the caller does not
> want radix_tree_node_alloc() to return NULL".

For the radix tree, I agree that we may not need preload. But 
ida_bitmap, which the xbitmap is based on, is allocated via preload, so 
I think we cannot bypass preload, otherwise, we get no ida_bitmap to use.

Best,
Wei

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-12-18  8:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 179+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-12 11:55 [virtio-dev] [PATCH v19 0/7] Virtio-balloon Enhancement Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55 ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55 ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v19 1/7] xbitmap: Introduce xbitmap Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 12:53   ` Philippe Ombredanne
2017-12-12 12:53   ` Philippe Ombredanne
2017-12-12 12:53     ` [Qemu-devel] " Philippe Ombredanne
2017-12-12 12:53     ` Philippe Ombredanne
2017-12-15 11:05   ` kbuild test robot
2017-12-15 11:05   ` kbuild test robot
2017-12-15 11:05     ` [Qemu-devel] " kbuild test robot
2017-12-15 11:05     ` kbuild test robot
2017-12-15 13:24     ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-15 13:24     ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-15 13:24       ` [Qemu-devel] " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-15 13:24       ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-16 10:10       ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-16 10:10         ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-16 10:10         ` Wei Wang
2017-12-16 10:10         ` Wei Wang
2017-12-16 10:10       ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55 ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v19 2/7] xbitmap: potential improvement Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` Wei Wang
2017-12-15  3:07   ` kbuild test robot
2017-12-15  3:07     ` [Qemu-devel] " kbuild test robot
2017-12-15  3:07     ` kbuild test robot
2017-12-15  3:07     ` kbuild test robot
2017-12-12 11:55 ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55 ` [PATCH v19 3/7] xbitmap: add more operations Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55 ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 13:20   ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-12 13:20     ` [Qemu-devel] " Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-12 13:20     ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-13 12:26     ` Wei Wang
2017-12-13 12:26     ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-13 12:26       ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-13 12:26       ` Wei Wang
2017-12-13 12:26       ` Wei Wang
2017-12-13 14:16       ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-13 14:16         ` [Qemu-devel] " Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-13 14:16         ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-14  3:47         ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-14  3:47           ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-14  3:47           ` Wei Wang
2017-12-14  3:47           ` Wei Wang
2017-12-14 11:47           ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-14 11:47             ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-14 11:47             ` Wei Wang
2017-12-14 11:47             ` Wei Wang
2017-12-14 11:47           ` Wei Wang
2017-12-14 16:29           ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-14 16:29             ` [Qemu-devel] " Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-14 16:29             ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-14 18:12             ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-14 18:12               ` [Qemu-devel] " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-14 18:12               ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-15 16:21               ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-15 16:21                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-15 16:21                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-15 18:26                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-15 18:26                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-15 18:26                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-15 18:26                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-15 18:26                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-12-16  4:31                   ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-16  4:31                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-16  4:31                     ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-16  5:05                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-16  5:05                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-16  5:05                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-16  5:05                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-16  5:57                       ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-16  5:57                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-16  5:57                         ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-15 18:49                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-15 18:49                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-15 18:49                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-15 19:22                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-15 19:22                     ` [Qemu-devel] " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-15 19:22                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-17 13:47                     ` [virtio-dev] " Wang, Wei W
2017-12-17 13:47                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Wang, Wei W
2017-12-17 13:47                       ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-17 13:47                       ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-17 13:47                       ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-17 22:18                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-17 22:18                         ` [Qemu-devel] " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-17 22:18                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-17 22:18                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-18  2:33                         ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-18  2:33                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-18  2:33                           ` Wei Wang
2017-12-18  2:33                           ` Wei Wang
2017-12-18  2:33                           ` Wei Wang
2017-12-18  2:59                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-18  2:59                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-18  2:59                             ` [Qemu-devel] " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-18  2:59                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-18  2:59                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-18  2:33                         ` Wei Wang
2017-12-17 22:18                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-17 13:47                     ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-15 19:22                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-15 18:49                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-14 18:12             ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-16 10:14             ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-16 10:14               ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-16 10:14               ` Wei Wang
2017-12-16 10:14               ` Wei Wang
2017-12-16 10:14             ` Wei Wang
2017-12-14  3:47         ` Wei Wang
2017-12-14 12:37       ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-14 12:37       ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-14 12:37         ` [Qemu-devel] " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-14 12:37         ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-15 18:42   ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-15 18:42     ` [Qemu-devel] " Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-15 18:42     ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-16 10:12     ` Wei Wang
2017-12-16 10:12     ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-16 10:12       ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-16 10:12       ` Wei Wang
2017-12-16 10:12       ` Wei Wang
2017-12-16 11:28       ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-16 11:28         ` [Qemu-devel] " Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-16 11:28         ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-17  5:24         ` Wei Wang
2017-12-17  5:24         ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-17  5:24           ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-17  5:24           ` Wei Wang
2017-12-17  5:24           ` Wei Wang
2017-12-17 10:21           ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-17 10:21             ` [Qemu-devel] " Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-17 10:21             ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-17 11:50             ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-17 11:50             ` [virtio-dev] " Wang, Wei W
2017-12-17 11:50               ` [Qemu-devel] " Wang, Wei W
2017-12-17 11:50               ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-17 11:50               ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-17 11:50               ` Wang, Wei W
2017-12-17 15:16               ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-17 15:16                 ` [Qemu-devel] " Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-17 15:16                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2017-12-18  8:05                 ` Wei Wang
2017-12-18  8:05                 ` Wei Wang [this message]
2017-12-18  8:05                   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-18  8:05                   ` Wei Wang
2017-12-18  8:05                   ` Wei Wang
2017-12-15 18:42   ` Matthew Wilcox
2017-12-12 11:55 ` [PATCH v19 4/7] virtio-balloon: VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_SG Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55 ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v19 5/7] mm: support reporting free page blocks Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55 ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v19 6/7] virtio-balloon: VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_FREE_PAGE_VQ Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55 ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55 ` [PATCH v19 7/7] virtio-balloon: don't report free pages when page poisoning is enabled Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55 ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` Wei Wang
2017-12-12 11:55   ` Wei Wang

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