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From: Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@intel.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	quintela@redhat.com, dgilbert@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	liliang.opensource@gmail.com, yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com,
	quan.xu0@gmail.com, nilal@redhat.com, riel@redhat.com,
	zhang.zhanghailiang@huawei.com
Subject: [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH v7 4/5] virtio-balloon: VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_FREE_PAGE_HINT
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2018 18:04:23 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5B17B1A7.8060307@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180606054227.GA7815@xz-mi>

On 06/06/2018 01:42 PM, Peter Xu wrote:
>
> IMHO migration states do not suite here.  IMHO bitmap syncing is too
> frequently an operation, especially at the end of a precopy migration.
> If you really want to introduce some notifiers, I would prefer
> something new rather than fiddling around with migration state.  E.g.,
> maybe a new migration event notifiers, then introduce two new events
> for both start/end of bitmap syncing.

Please see if below aligns to what you meant:

MigrationState {
...
+ int ram_save_state;

}

typedef enum RamSaveState {
     RAM_SAVE_BEGIN = 0,
     RAM_SAVE_END = 1,
     RAM_SAVE_MAX = 2
}

then at the step 1) and 3) you concluded somewhere below, we change the 
state and invoke the callback.


Btw, the migration_state_notifiers is already there, but seems not 
really used (I only tracked spice-core.c called 
add_migration_state_change_notifier). I thought adding new migration 
states can reuse all that we have.
What's your real concern about that? (not sure how defining new events 
would make a difference)

>> I would suggest to focus on the supplied interface and its usage in live
>> migration. That is, now we have two APIs, start() and stop(), to start and
>> stop the optimization.
>>
>> 1) where in the migration code should we use them (do you agree with the
>> step (1), (2), (3) you concluded below?)
>> 2) how should we use them, directly do global call or via notifiers?
> I don't know how Dave and Juan might think; here I tend to agree with
> Michael that some notifier framework should be nicer.
>

What would be the advantages of using notifiers here?



> This is not that obvious to me.  For now I think it's true, since when
> we call stop() we'll take the mutex, meanwhile the mutex is actually
> always held by the iothread (in the big loop in
> virtio_balloon_poll_free_page_hints) until either:
>
> - it sleeps in qemu_cond_wait() [1], or
> - it leaves the big loop [2]
>
> Since I don't see anyone who will set dev->block_iothread to true for
> the balloon device, then [1] cannot happen;

there is a case in virtio_balloon_set_status which sets 
dev->block_iothread to true.

Did you mean the free_page_lock mutex? it is released at the bottom of 
the while() loop in virtio_balloon_poll_free_page_hint. It's actually 
released for every hint. That is,

while(1){
     take the lock;
     process 1 hint from the vq;
     release the lock;
}

>   then I think when stop()
> has taken the mutex then the thread must have quitted the big loop,
> which goes to path [2].  I am not sure my understanding is correct,
> but in all cases "Step(1) guarantees us that the QEMU side
> optimization call has exited" is not obvious to me.  Would you add
> some comment to the code (or even improve the code itself somehow) to
> help people understand that?
>
> For example, I saw that the old github code has a pthread_join() (in
> that old code it was not using iothread at all).  That's a very good
> code example so that people can understand that it's a synchronous
> operations.

>> This is enough. If the guest continues to report after that, that
>> reported hints will be detected as stale hints and dropped in the next start
>> of optimization.
> This is not clear to me too.  Say, stop() only sets the balloon status
> to STOP, AFAIU it does not really modify the cmd_id field immediately,
> then how will the new coming hints be known as stale hints?

Yes, you get that correctly - stop() only sets the status to STOP. On 
the other side, virtio_balloon_poll_free_page_hints will stop when it 
sees the staus is STOP. The free_page_lock guarantees that when stop() 
returns, virtio_balloon_poll_free_page_hints will not proceed. When 
virtio_balloon_poll_free_page_hints exits, the coming hints are not 
processed any more. They just stay in the vq. The next time start() is 
called, virtio_balloon_poll_free_page_hints works again, it will first 
drop all those stale hints.
I'll see where I could add some comments to explain.


Best,
Wei

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From: Wei Wang <wei.w.wang@intel.com>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
	quintela@redhat.com, dgilbert@redhat.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	liliang.opensource@gmail.com, yang.zhang.wz@gmail.com,
	quan.xu0@gmail.com, nilal@redhat.com, riel@redhat.com,
	zhang.zhanghailiang@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 4/5] virtio-balloon: VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_FREE_PAGE_HINT
Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2018 18:04:23 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5B17B1A7.8060307@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180606054227.GA7815@xz-mi>

On 06/06/2018 01:42 PM, Peter Xu wrote:
>
> IMHO migration states do not suite here.  IMHO bitmap syncing is too
> frequently an operation, especially at the end of a precopy migration.
> If you really want to introduce some notifiers, I would prefer
> something new rather than fiddling around with migration state.  E.g.,
> maybe a new migration event notifiers, then introduce two new events
> for both start/end of bitmap syncing.

Please see if below aligns to what you meant:

MigrationState {
...
+ int ram_save_state;

}

typedef enum RamSaveState {
     RAM_SAVE_BEGIN = 0,
     RAM_SAVE_END = 1,
     RAM_SAVE_MAX = 2
}

then at the step 1) and 3) you concluded somewhere below, we change the 
state and invoke the callback.


Btw, the migration_state_notifiers is already there, but seems not 
really used (I only tracked spice-core.c called 
add_migration_state_change_notifier). I thought adding new migration 
states can reuse all that we have.
What's your real concern about that? (not sure how defining new events 
would make a difference)

>> I would suggest to focus on the supplied interface and its usage in live
>> migration. That is, now we have two APIs, start() and stop(), to start and
>> stop the optimization.
>>
>> 1) where in the migration code should we use them (do you agree with the
>> step (1), (2), (3) you concluded below?)
>> 2) how should we use them, directly do global call or via notifiers?
> I don't know how Dave and Juan might think; here I tend to agree with
> Michael that some notifier framework should be nicer.
>

What would be the advantages of using notifiers here?



> This is not that obvious to me.  For now I think it's true, since when
> we call stop() we'll take the mutex, meanwhile the mutex is actually
> always held by the iothread (in the big loop in
> virtio_balloon_poll_free_page_hints) until either:
>
> - it sleeps in qemu_cond_wait() [1], or
> - it leaves the big loop [2]
>
> Since I don't see anyone who will set dev->block_iothread to true for
> the balloon device, then [1] cannot happen;

there is a case in virtio_balloon_set_status which sets 
dev->block_iothread to true.

Did you mean the free_page_lock mutex? it is released at the bottom of 
the while() loop in virtio_balloon_poll_free_page_hint. It's actually 
released for every hint. That is,

while(1){
     take the lock;
     process 1 hint from the vq;
     release the lock;
}

>   then I think when stop()
> has taken the mutex then the thread must have quitted the big loop,
> which goes to path [2].  I am not sure my understanding is correct,
> but in all cases "Step(1) guarantees us that the QEMU side
> optimization call has exited" is not obvious to me.  Would you add
> some comment to the code (or even improve the code itself somehow) to
> help people understand that?
>
> For example, I saw that the old github code has a pthread_join() (in
> that old code it was not using iothread at all).  That's a very good
> code example so that people can understand that it's a synchronous
> operations.

>> This is enough. If the guest continues to report after that, that
>> reported hints will be detected as stale hints and dropped in the next start
>> of optimization.
> This is not clear to me too.  Say, stop() only sets the balloon status
> to STOP, AFAIU it does not really modify the cmd_id field immediately,
> then how will the new coming hints be known as stale hints?

Yes, you get that correctly - stop() only sets the status to STOP. On 
the other side, virtio_balloon_poll_free_page_hints will stop when it 
sees the staus is STOP. The free_page_lock guarantees that when stop() 
returns, virtio_balloon_poll_free_page_hints will not proceed. When 
virtio_balloon_poll_free_page_hints exits, the coming hints are not 
processed any more. They just stay in the vq. The next time start() is 
called, virtio_balloon_poll_free_page_hints works again, it will first 
drop all those stale hints.
I'll see where I could add some comments to explain.


Best,
Wei

  reply	other threads:[~2018-06-06 10:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-24  6:13 [virtio-dev] [PATCH v7 0/5] virtio-balloon: free page hint reporting support Wei Wang
2018-04-24  6:13 ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-04-24  6:13 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v7 1/5] bitmap: bitmap_count_one_with_offset Wei Wang
2018-04-24  6:13   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-04-24  6:13 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v7 2/5] migration: use bitmap_mutex in migration_bitmap_clear_dirty Wei Wang
2018-04-24  6:13   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-06-01  3:37   ` Peter Xu
2018-04-24  6:13 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v7 3/5] migration: API to clear bits of guest free pages from the dirty bitmap Wei Wang
2018-04-24  6:13   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-06-01  4:00   ` Peter Xu
2018-06-01  7:36     ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-06-01  7:36       ` Wei Wang
2018-06-01 10:06       ` Peter Xu
2018-06-01 12:32         ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-06-01 12:32           ` Wei Wang
2018-06-04  2:49           ` Peter Xu
2018-06-04  7:43             ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-06-04  7:43               ` Wei Wang
2018-04-24  6:13 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v7 4/5] virtio-balloon: VIRTIO_BALLOON_F_FREE_PAGE_HINT Wei Wang
2018-04-24  6:13   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-05-29 15:24   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-05-29 15:24     ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-05-30  9:12     ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-05-30  9:12       ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-05-30 12:47       ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-05-30 12:47         ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-05-31  2:27         ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-05-31  2:27           ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-05-31 17:42           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-05-31 17:42             ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-01  3:18             ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-06-01  3:18               ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-06-04  8:04         ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-06-04  8:04           ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-06-05  6:58           ` Peter Xu
2018-06-05 13:22             ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-06-05 13:22               ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-06-06  5:42               ` Peter Xu
2018-06-06 10:04                 ` Wei Wang [this message]
2018-06-06 10:04                   ` Wei Wang
2018-06-06 11:02                   ` Peter Xu
2018-06-07  5:24                     ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-06-07  5:24                       ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-06-07  6:32                       ` Peter Xu
2018-06-07 11:59                         ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-06-07 11:59                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-06-08  2:17                           ` Peter Xu
2018-06-08  7:14                             ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-06-08  7:14                               ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-06-08  7:31                         ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-06-08  7:31                           ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-06-06  6:43   ` Peter Xu
2018-06-06 10:11     ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-06-06 10:11       ` Wei Wang
2018-06-07  3:17       ` Peter Xu
2018-06-07  5:29         ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-06-07  5:29           ` Wei Wang
2018-06-07  6:58           ` Peter Xu
2018-06-07 12:01             ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-06-07 12:01               ` Wei Wang
2018-06-08  1:37               ` Peter Xu
2018-06-08  1:58                 ` Peter Xu
2018-06-08  1:58                 ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-08  1:58                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-08  2:34                   ` Peter Xu
2018-06-08  2:49                     ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-08  2:49                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-08  3:34                       ` Peter Xu
2018-04-24  6:13 ` [virtio-dev] [PATCH v7 5/5] migration: use the free page hint feature from balloon Wei Wang
2018-04-24  6:13   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-04-24  6:42 ` [virtio-dev] Re: [PATCH v7 0/5] virtio-balloon: free page hint reporting support Wei Wang
2018-04-24  6:42   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-05-14  1:22 ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-05-14  1:22   ` [Qemu-devel] " Wei Wang
2018-05-29 15:00 ` Hailiang Zhang
2018-05-29 15:24   ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-05-29 15:24     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-01  4:58 ` Peter Xu
2018-06-01  5:07   ` Peter Xu
2018-06-01  7:29     ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-06-01  7:29       ` Wei Wang
2018-06-01 10:02       ` Peter Xu
2018-06-01 12:31         ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-06-01 12:31           ` Wei Wang
2018-06-01  7:21   ` [virtio-dev] " Wei Wang
2018-06-01  7:21     ` Wei Wang
2018-06-01 10:40     ` Peter Xu
2018-06-01 15:33       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2018-06-05  6:42         ` Peter Xu
2018-06-05 14:40           ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 14:40             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 14:39         ` [virtio-dev] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2018-06-05 14:39           ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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