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From: Jari Ruusu <jariruusu@users.sourceforge.net>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	BCM Kernel Feedback <bcm-kernel-feedback-list@broadcom.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	Scott Branden <scott.branden@broadcom.com>
Subject: Re: 5.10 LTS Kernel: 2 or 6 years?
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 16:15:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <602E766F.758C74D8@users.sourceforge.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20210218113107.GA12547@1wt.eu

Willy Tarreau wrote:
> The only set of fixes that can be trusted are the "official" stable
> kernels, because they are the only ones that are approved by the patches
> authors themselves. Adding more stuff on top of stable kernels is fine
> (and done at your own risk), but randomly dropping stuff from stable
> kernels just because you don't think you need that is totally non-sense
> and must not be done anymore!

This may be little bit off-topic... but stable kernel.org kernels
can also bit-rot badly because of "selective" backporting... as in
anything that does not apply cleanly gets dropped regardless of
how critical they are.

I will give you one example: Intel WiFi (iwlwifi) on 4.19.y
kernel.org stable kernels is currently missing many critical
locking fixes. As a result, that in-tree iwlwifi driver causes
erratic behavior to random unrelated processes, and has been doing
so for many months now. My not-so-politically correct opinion is
that in-tree iwlwifi is completely FUBAR unless someone steps up
to do professional quality backport of those locking fixes from
upstream out-of-tree Intel version [1] [2] of the driver. For me
only way to get properly working WiFi on my laptop computer is to
compile that Intel out-of-tree version. Sad, but true.

[1] https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/iwlwifi/core_release
[2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/iwlwifi/backport-iwlwifi.git/

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From: Jari Ruusu <jariruusu@users.sourceforge.net>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Scott Branden <scott.branden@broadcom.com>,
	Linux ARM <linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	BCM Kernel Feedback <bcm-kernel-feedback-list@broadcom.com>
Subject: Re: 5.10 LTS Kernel: 2 or 6 years?
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 16:15:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <602E766F.758C74D8@users.sourceforge.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 20210218113107.GA12547@1wt.eu

Willy Tarreau wrote:
> The only set of fixes that can be trusted are the "official" stable
> kernels, because they are the only ones that are approved by the patches
> authors themselves. Adding more stuff on top of stable kernels is fine
> (and done at your own risk), but randomly dropping stuff from stable
> kernels just because you don't think you need that is totally non-sense
> and must not be done anymore!

This may be little bit off-topic... but stable kernel.org kernels
can also bit-rot badly because of "selective" backporting... as in
anything that does not apply cleanly gets dropped regardless of
how critical they are.

I will give you one example: Intel WiFi (iwlwifi) on 4.19.y
kernel.org stable kernels is currently missing many critical
locking fixes. As a result, that in-tree iwlwifi driver causes
erratic behavior to random unrelated processes, and has been doing
so for many months now. My not-so-politically correct opinion is
that in-tree iwlwifi is completely FUBAR unless someone steps up
to do professional quality backport of those locking fixes from
upstream out-of-tree Intel version [1] [2] of the driver. For me
only way to get properly working WiFi on my laptop computer is to
compile that Intel out-of-tree version. Sad, but true.

[1] https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/users/drivers/iwlwifi/core_release
[2] https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/iwlwifi/backport-iwlwifi.git/

-- 
Jari Ruusu  4096R/8132F189 12D6 4C3A DCDA 0AA4 27BD  ACDF F073 3C80 8132 F189

  reply	other threads:[~2021-02-18 14:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 133+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-25 19:55 5.10 LTS Kernel: 2 or 6 years? Scott Branden
2021-01-25 19:55 ` Scott Branden
2021-01-26  2:50 ` Adam Borowski
2021-01-26  2:50   ` Adam Borowski
2021-01-26  7:29 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-01-26  7:29   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-01-26 17:35   ` Florian Fainelli
2021-01-26 17:35     ` Florian Fainelli
2021-01-26 18:30   ` Scott Branden
2021-01-26 18:30     ` Scott Branden
2021-01-26 18:51     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-01-26 18:51       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-01-26 20:15       ` Willy Tarreau
2021-01-26 20:15         ` Willy Tarreau
2021-01-29 10:00         ` 10 years -- was " Pavel Machek
2021-02-17  9:40       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-17  9:40         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-17 19:48         ` Scott Branden
2021-02-17 19:48           ` Scott Branden
2021-02-18  7:43           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-18  7:43             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-18 11:31             ` Willy Tarreau
2021-02-18 11:31               ` Willy Tarreau
2021-02-18 14:15               ` Jari Ruusu [this message]
2021-02-18 14:15                 ` Jari Ruusu
2021-02-18 14:29                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-18 14:29                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-18 20:55                   ` Pavel Machek
2021-02-18 20:55                     ` Pavel Machek
2021-02-18 22:43                     ` Ondrej Zary
2021-02-18 22:43                       ` Ondrej Zary
2021-02-19  8:00                       ` Pavel Machek
2021-02-19  8:00                         ` Pavel Machek
2021-02-19  8:30                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-19  8:30                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-18 14:33                 ` Willy Tarreau
2021-02-18 14:33                   ` Willy Tarreau
2021-02-18 17:19                   ` Jari Ruusu
2021-02-18 17:19                     ` Jari Ruusu
2021-02-18 17:22                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2021-02-18 17:22                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2021-02-18 17:44                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-18 17:44                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-19  7:10                       ` Jari Ruusu
2021-02-19  7:10                         ` Jari Ruusu
2021-02-19  8:22                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-19  8:22                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-19 10:31                           ` Jari Ruusu
2021-02-19 10:31                             ` Jari Ruusu
2021-02-19 10:37                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-19 10:37                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-19 10:57                               ` Jari Ruusu
2021-02-19 10:57                                 ` Jari Ruusu
2021-02-19 11:16                                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-19 11:16                                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-19 15:23                                   ` Jari Ruusu
2021-02-19 15:23                                     ` Jari Ruusu
2021-02-20 13:29                                     ` Jari Ruusu
2021-02-20 13:29                                       ` Jari Ruusu
2021-02-20 16:05                                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-20 16:05                                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-20 17:06                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2021-02-20 17:06                                           ` Willy Tarreau
2021-02-21 11:38                                         ` Jari Ruusu
2021-02-21 11:38                                           ` Jari Ruusu
2021-02-19 16:50                                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-02-19 16:50                                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2021-02-18 17:16               ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-18 17:16                 ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-18 12:51             ` Pavel Machek
2021-02-18 12:51               ` Pavel Machek
2021-02-18 16:51           ` Sasha Levin
2021-02-18 16:51             ` Sasha Levin
2021-02-18 17:21             ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-18 17:21               ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-18 17:53               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-18 17:53                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-18 17:57                 ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-18 17:57                   ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-18 18:20                 ` Willy Tarreau
2021-02-18 18:20                   ` Willy Tarreau
2021-02-18 18:36                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-18 18:36                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-18 20:16                     ` Scott Branden
2021-02-18 20:16                       ` Scott Branden
2021-02-18 21:00                       ` Willy Tarreau
2021-02-18 21:00                         ` Willy Tarreau
2021-02-18 22:38                         ` Scott Branden
2021-02-18 22:38                           ` Scott Branden
2021-02-18 21:39                       ` Sasha Levin
2021-02-18 21:39                         ` Sasha Levin
2021-02-18 22:00                         ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-18 22:00                           ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-18 22:26                         ` Scott Branden
2021-02-18 22:26                           ` Scott Branden
2021-02-19  8:25                       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-19  8:25                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-19 15:05                         ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-19 15:05                           ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-19 15:53                           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-19 15:53                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-19 17:44                             ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-19 17:44                               ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-22 14:17                               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-22 14:17                                 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-18 17:42           ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-18 17:42             ` Florian Fainelli
2021-02-18 18:13             ` Willy Tarreau
2021-02-18 18:13               ` Willy Tarreau
2021-02-18 10:04         ` Pavel Machek
2021-02-18 10:04           ` Pavel Machek
2021-01-29  9:49   ` Pavel Machek
2021-02-19  8:54   ` Hanjun Guo
2021-02-19  8:54     ` Hanjun Guo
2021-02-19  9:08     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-19  9:08       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-20  7:02       ` Hanjun Guo
2021-02-20  7:02         ` Hanjun Guo
2021-02-20  9:53         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-20  9:53           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-23  2:14           ` Hanjun Guo
2021-02-23  2:14             ` Hanjun Guo
2021-02-19 14:45     ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2021-02-19 14:45       ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2021-02-26  8:03       ` Hanjun Guo
2021-02-26  8:03         ` Hanjun Guo
2021-02-26  8:03         ` Hanjun Guo
2021-02-26 11:21         ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2021-02-26 11:21           ` Nikolai Kondrashov
2021-02-22 14:00   ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2021-02-22 14:00     ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2021-02-22 14:24     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2021-02-22 14:24       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman

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