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From: Stephan Mueller <smueller@chronox.de>
To: Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>
Cc: Hannes Frederic Sowa <hannes@stressinduktion.org>,
	mancha <mancha1@zoho.com>,
	tytso@mit.edu, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, herbert@gondor.apana.org.au,
	dborkman@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [BUG/PATCH] kernel RNG and its secrets
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2015 12:09:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6407649.tbmT00FeL6@tauon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <550959EB.4000304@iogearbox.net>

Am Mittwoch, 18. März 2015, 11:56:43 schrieb Daniel Borkmann:

Hi Daniel,

>On 03/18/2015 11:50 AM, Hannes Frederic Sowa wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015, at 10:53, mancha wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> The kernel RNG introduced memzero_explicit in d4c5efdb9777 to
>>> protect
>>> 
>>> memory cleansing against things like dead store optimization:
>>>     void memzero_explicit(void *s, size_t count)
>>>     {
>>>     
>>>             memset(s, 0, count);
>>>             OPTIMIZER_HIDE_VAR(s);
>>>     
>>>     }
>>> 
>>> OPTIMIZER_HIDE_VAR, introduced in fe8c8a126806 to protect
>>> crypto_memneq>> 
>>> against timing analysis, is defined when using gcc as:
>>>     #define OPTIMIZER_HIDE_VAR(var) __asm__ ("" : "=r" (var) : "0"
>>>     (var))
>>> 
>>> My tests with gcc 4.8.2 on x86 find it insufficient to prevent gcc
>>> from optimizing out memset (i.e. secrets remain in memory).
>>> 
>>> Two things that do work:
>>>     __asm__ __volatile__ ("" : "=r" (var) : "0" (var))
>> 
>> You are correct, volatile signature should be added to
>> OPTIMIZER_HIDE_VAR. Because we use an output variable "=r", gcc is
>> allowed to check if it is needed and may remove the asm statement.
>> Another option would be to just use var as an input variable - asm
>> blocks without output variables are always considered being volatile
>> by gcc.
>> 
>> Can you send a patch?
>> 
>> I don't think it is security critical, as Daniel pointed out, the
>> call
>> will happen because the function is an external call to the crypto
>> functions, thus the compiler has to flush memory on return.
>
>Just had a look.
>
>$ gdb vmlinux
>(gdb) disassemble memzero_explicit
>Dump of assembler code for function memzero_explicit:
>    0xffffffff813a18b0 <+0>:	push   %rbp
>    0xffffffff813a18b1 <+1>:	mov    %rsi,%rdx
>    0xffffffff813a18b4 <+4>:	xor    %esi,%esi
>    0xffffffff813a18b6 <+6>:	mov    %rsp,%rbp
>    0xffffffff813a18b9 <+9>:	callq  0xffffffff813a7120 <memset>
>    0xffffffff813a18be <+14>:	pop    %rbp
>    0xffffffff813a18bf <+15>:	retq
>End of assembler dump.
>
>(gdb) disassemble extract_entropy
>[...]
>    0xffffffff814a5000 <+304>:	sub    %r15,%rbx
>    0xffffffff814a5003 <+307>:	jne    0xffffffff814a4f80
><extract_entropy+176> 0xffffffff814a5009 <+313>:	mov    %r12,%rdi
>    0xffffffff814a500c <+316>:	mov    $0xa,%esi
>    0xffffffff814a5011 <+321>:	callq  0xffffffff813a18b0
><memzero_explicit> 0xffffffff814a5016 <+326>:	mov    -0x48(%rbp),%rax
>[...]
>
>I would be fine with __volatile__.

Are we sure that simply adding a __volatile__ works in any case? I just 
did a test with a simple user space app:

static inline void memset_secure(void *s, int c, size_t n)
{
        memset(s, c, n);
        //__asm__ __volatile__("": : :"memory");
        __asm__ __volatile__("" : "=r" (s) : "0" (s));
}

int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
#define BUFLEN 20
        char buf[BUFLEN];

        snprintf(buf, (BUFLEN - 1), "teststring\n");
        printf("%s", buf);

        memset_secure(buf, 0, BUFLEN);
}

When using the discussed code of __asm__ __volatile__("" : "=r" (s) : 
"0" (s));  I do not find the code implementing memset(0) in objdump. 
Only when I enable the memory barrier, I see the following (when 
compiling with -O2):

objdump -d memset_secure:
...
0000000000400440 <main>:
...
  400469:       48 c7 04 24 00 00 00    movq   $0x0,(%rsp)
  400470:       00 
  400471:       48 c7 44 24 08 00 00    movq   $0x0,0x8(%rsp)
  400478:       00 00 
  40047a:       c7 44 24 10 00 00 00    movl   $0x0,0x10(%rsp)
  400481:       00
...

>
>Thanks a lot mancha, could you send a patch?
>
>Best,
>Daniel
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Ciao
Stephan

  reply	other threads:[~2015-03-18 11:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-18  9:53 [BUG/PATCH] kernel RNG and its secrets mancha
2015-03-18 10:30 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-03-18 10:50 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-03-18 10:56   ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-03-18 11:09     ` Stephan Mueller [this message]
2015-03-18 12:02       ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-03-18 12:14         ` Stephan Mueller
2015-03-18 12:19           ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-03-18 12:20             ` Stephan Mueller
2015-03-18 12:42               ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-03-18 15:09                 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-03-18 16:02                   ` Stephan Mueller
2015-03-18 17:14                     ` mancha
2015-03-18 17:49                       ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-03-18 19:09                         ` mancha
2015-03-18 23:53                       ` Cesar Eduardo Barros
2015-03-18 17:41                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-18 17:56                     ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-03-18 17:58                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-03-18 12:58         ` mancha
2015-04-10 13:25       ` Stephan Mueller
2015-04-10 14:00         ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-04-10 14:09           ` Stephan Mueller
2015-04-10 14:22             ` mancha security
2015-04-10 14:33               ` Stephan Mueller
2015-04-10 20:09                 ` mancha security
2015-04-10 14:26             ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-04-10 14:36               ` Stephan Mueller
2015-04-10 14:45                 ` Hannes Frederic Sowa
2015-04-10 14:46                 ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-04-10 14:50                   ` Stephan Mueller
2015-04-10 14:54                     ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-04-27 19:10                     ` Stephan Mueller
2015-04-27 20:34                       ` Daniel Borkmann
2015-04-27 20:41                         ` Stephan Mueller
2015-04-27 20:53                           ` Daniel Borkmann

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