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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: hch@infradead.org, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, stefanha@redhat.com, israelr@nvidia.com,
	nitzanc@nvidia.com, oren@nvidia.com, linux-block@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/1] virtio-blk: avoid preallocating big SGL for data
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 09:27:00 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6a648daf-dd93-0c16-58d6-e4a59334bf0b@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <89d6dc30-a876-b1b0-4ff4-605415113611@nvidia.com>

On 9/1/21 8:58 AM, Max Gurtovoy wrote:
> 
> On 9/1/2021 5:50 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 04:14:34PM +0300, Max Gurtovoy wrote:
>>> No need to pre-allocate a big buffer for the IO SGL anymore. If a device
>>> has lots of deep queues, preallocation for the sg list can consume
>>> substantial amounts of memory. For HW virtio-blk device, nr_hw_queues
>>> can be 64 or 128 and each queue's depth might be 128. This means the
>>> resulting preallocation for the data SGLs is big.
>>>
>>> Switch to runtime allocation for SGL for lists longer than 2 entries.
>>> This is the approach used by NVMe drivers so it should be reasonable for
>>> virtio block as well. Runtime SGL allocation has always been the case
>>> for the legacy I/O path so this is nothing new.
>>>
>>> The preallocated small SGL depends on SG_CHAIN so if the ARCH doesn't
>>> support SG_CHAIN, use only runtime allocation for the SGL.
>>>
>>> Re-organize the setup of the IO request to fit the new sg chain
>>> mechanism.
>>>
>>> No performance degradation was seen (fio libaio engine with 16 jobs and
>>> 128 iodepth):
>>>
>>> IO size      IOPs Rand Read (before/after)         IOPs Rand Write (before/after)
>>> --------     ---------------------------------    ----------------------------------
>>> 512B          318K/316K                                    329K/325K
>>>
>>> 4KB           323K/321K                                    353K/349K
>>>
>>> 16KB          199K/208K                                    250K/275K
>>>
>>> 128KB         36K/36.1K                                    39.2K/41.7K
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
>>> Reviewed-by: Israel Rukshin <israelr@nvidia.com>
>> Could you use something to give confidence intervals maybe?
>> As it is it looks like a 1-2% regression for 512B and 4KB.
> 
> 1%-2% is not a regression. It's a device/env/test variance.
> 
> This is just one test results. I run it many times and got difference by 
> +/- 2%-3% in each run for each sides.
> 
> Even if I run same driver without changes I get 2%-3% difference between 
> runs.
> 
> If you have a perf test suite for virtio-blk it will be great if you can 
> run it, or maybe Feng Li has.

You're adding an allocation to the hot path, and a free to the
completion hot path. It's not unreasonable to expect that there could be
performance implications associated with that. Which would be
particularly evident with 1 segment requests, as the results would seem
to indicate as well.

Probably needs better testing. A profile of a peak run before and after
and a diff of the two might also be interesting.

The common idiom for situations like this is to have an inline part that
holds 1-2 segments, and then only punt to alloc if you need more than
that. As the number of segments grows, the cost per request matters
less.

-- 
Jens Axboe


WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-block@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	israelr@nvidia.com, virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	hch@infradead.org, nitzanc@nvidia.com, stefanha@redhat.com,
	oren@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/1] virtio-blk: avoid preallocating big SGL for data
Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2021 09:27:00 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6a648daf-dd93-0c16-58d6-e4a59334bf0b@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <89d6dc30-a876-b1b0-4ff4-605415113611@nvidia.com>

On 9/1/21 8:58 AM, Max Gurtovoy wrote:
> 
> On 9/1/2021 5:50 PM, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 01, 2021 at 04:14:34PM +0300, Max Gurtovoy wrote:
>>> No need to pre-allocate a big buffer for the IO SGL anymore. If a device
>>> has lots of deep queues, preallocation for the sg list can consume
>>> substantial amounts of memory. For HW virtio-blk device, nr_hw_queues
>>> can be 64 or 128 and each queue's depth might be 128. This means the
>>> resulting preallocation for the data SGLs is big.
>>>
>>> Switch to runtime allocation for SGL for lists longer than 2 entries.
>>> This is the approach used by NVMe drivers so it should be reasonable for
>>> virtio block as well. Runtime SGL allocation has always been the case
>>> for the legacy I/O path so this is nothing new.
>>>
>>> The preallocated small SGL depends on SG_CHAIN so if the ARCH doesn't
>>> support SG_CHAIN, use only runtime allocation for the SGL.
>>>
>>> Re-organize the setup of the IO request to fit the new sg chain
>>> mechanism.
>>>
>>> No performance degradation was seen (fio libaio engine with 16 jobs and
>>> 128 iodepth):
>>>
>>> IO size      IOPs Rand Read (before/after)         IOPs Rand Write (before/after)
>>> --------     ---------------------------------    ----------------------------------
>>> 512B          318K/316K                                    329K/325K
>>>
>>> 4KB           323K/321K                                    353K/349K
>>>
>>> 16KB          199K/208K                                    250K/275K
>>>
>>> 128KB         36K/36.1K                                    39.2K/41.7K
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Max Gurtovoy <mgurtovoy@nvidia.com>
>>> Reviewed-by: Israel Rukshin <israelr@nvidia.com>
>> Could you use something to give confidence intervals maybe?
>> As it is it looks like a 1-2% regression for 512B and 4KB.
> 
> 1%-2% is not a regression. It's a device/env/test variance.
> 
> This is just one test results. I run it many times and got difference by 
> +/- 2%-3% in each run for each sides.
> 
> Even if I run same driver without changes I get 2%-3% difference between 
> runs.
> 
> If you have a perf test suite for virtio-blk it will be great if you can 
> run it, or maybe Feng Li has.

You're adding an allocation to the hot path, and a free to the
completion hot path. It's not unreasonable to expect that there could be
performance implications associated with that. Which would be
particularly evident with 1 segment requests, as the results would seem
to indicate as well.

Probably needs better testing. A profile of a peak run before and after
and a diff of the two might also be interesting.

The common idiom for situations like this is to have an inline part that
holds 1-2 segments, and then only punt to alloc if you need more than
that. As the number of segments grows, the cost per request matters
less.

-- 
Jens Axboe

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Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-01 13:14 [PATCH v3 1/1] virtio-blk: avoid preallocating big SGL for data Max Gurtovoy
2021-09-01 14:50 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-01 14:50   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-01 14:58   ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-09-01 15:27     ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2021-09-01 15:27       ` Jens Axboe
2021-09-01 22:25       ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-09-02  2:08         ` Jens Axboe
2021-09-02  2:08           ` Jens Axboe
2021-09-02 12:21 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-02 12:21   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-02 12:41   ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-09-06 15:09 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-06 15:09   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-10  6:32   ` Feng Li
2021-09-10  6:32     ` Feng Li
2021-09-13 14:50   ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-09-14 12:22     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-14 12:22       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2021-09-23 13:40       ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-09-23 15:37         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-09-23 15:37           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-22  9:15         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-22  9:15           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2021-10-24 14:31           ` Max Gurtovoy
2021-09-27 11:59 ` Christoph Hellwig
2021-09-27 11:59   ` Christoph Hellwig

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