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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	ilya.gladyshev@linux.dev,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: ivgorbunov@me.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com, apopple@nvidia.com,
	artem.kuzin@huawei.com, baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com,
	foxido@foxido.dev, harry.yoo@oracle.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, mhocko@suse.com,
	muchun.song@linux.dev, rppt@kernel.org, surenb@google.com,
	torvalds@linuxfoundation.org, vbabka@suse.cz,
	willy@infradead.org, yuzhao@google.com, pfalcato@suse.de,
	kirill@shutemov.name
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/2] mm: improve folio refcount scalability
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2026 09:55:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6d576c2a-af34-493c-bccb-cf2e035e6506@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DJECF2107V6T.23HGJJJ8ECKJ9@nvidia.com>

On 6/21/26 03:40, Zi Yan wrote:
> On Sat Jun 20, 2026 at 2:19 PM EDT,  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks. Nice numbers.
>>>
>>> AI review had some things to say:
>>>  https://sashiko.dev/#/patchset/df26082871b4c65b2bd38d409026237c08572836@linux.dev
>>
>> Among some minor issues, it also pointed out a funny ABA race:
>>
>> ```
>> T1/T2 work with pages of type X.
>> T3 works with pages of type Y.
>>
>> T1: page_dec_and_test()
>> T1: -> sub refcount [1 -> 0]
>> T1: -> *interrupted* (very bad hypervisor, for example)
>>
>> T2: optimistic get() [0 -> 1]
> 
> How is this possible? folio_get() and folio_try_get() should prevent
> getting a refcount-0 folio; get_page() uses folio_get(); try_get_page()
> also checks refcount before ref_inc.

With this patch set, it's different:

Essentially, there is a short time frame between dropping the refcount to 0 and
setting it to PAGEREF_FROZEN_BIT.

(1) atomic_sub_and_test() [1 -> 0]
(2) atomic_cmpxchg_relaxed(0, PAGEREF_FROZEN_BIT) [0 -> PAGEREF_FROZEN_BIT]

Someone in-between (1) and (2) can still "abort" this freeing process by
incrementing the refcount from 0 to 1. (2) will detect this and count it as
"well, not freed".

So with a refcount if 0, the page is "staged for freeing", which can be aborted.

> 
> For your patch, is it because of the separation of refcount-0 and
> frozen? The page goes refcount-0 before it is frozen? 

Exactly that. Refcount 0 is only transitional.

> Will it work if
> the page is frozen first then gets its refcount to 0? Basically, the
> frozen state prevents anyone else messing up with your refcount.
> 

Let me comment the original sequence:

```
T1/T2 work with pages of type X.
T3 works with pages of type Y.

T1: page_dec_and_test()
T1: -> sub refcount [1 -> 0]
T1: -> interrupted (very bad hypervisor, for example)

-> T1 did (1) but not (2)

T2: optimistic get() [0 -> 1]

-> T2 intercepted after T1's (1).

T2: put page back [1 -> 0]

-> T2 started (1)

T2: calls dtor for type X, returns into the allocator

-> For that to happen it must perform (2) through page_dec_and_test().
-> Page is frozen now. [0 -> PAGEREF_FROZEN_BIT]


T3: receives page of type Y, sets refcount to 1

-> Ordinary refcounted allocation. [PAGEREF_FROZEN_BIT -> 1]

T3: page_dec_and_test()
T3: -> sub refcount [1 -> 0]

-> T3 did (1) but not (2) yet.

T1 resumes execution

T1: -> CAS [0->LOCKED]

-> T1 did its (2) now.

T1: BUG: calls dtor of type X on page of type Y


I am confused about the "dtor of type X vs. type Y". We have the page in our
hand, once we won (2) we can lookup the type and do the right thing.


I guess the interesting part is where the destructor is called from the outside:

static inline void folio_put(struct folio *folio)
{
	if (folio_put_testzero(folio))
		__folio_put(folio);
}

Where we keep operating on it as if it were a folio, although it might now be a
non-folio thing.

So if T1 is doing a folio_put(), we'd call into page_cache_release() etc with
a non-folio thing.

But IIUC, that can happen today already when we do
folio_try_get(folio)+folio_put(folio) and it wasn't a folio in the first place?

I'd assume that will all change once the refcount moves into
separately-allocated "struct folios".

-- 
Cheers,

David


  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-22  7:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-08 21:53 [PATCH v4 0/2] mm: improve folio refcount scalability Gladyshev Ilya
2026-06-08 21:54 ` [PATCH v4 1/2] mm: drop page refcount zero state semantics ilya.gladyshev
2026-06-08 21:54 ` [PATCH v4 2/2] mm: implement page refcount locking via dedicated bit Gladyshev Ilya
2026-06-08 22:47 ` [PATCH v4 0/2] mm: improve folio refcount scalability Andrew Morton
2026-06-09 10:28   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-09 19:02   ` Gladyshev Ilya
2026-06-09 21:02     ` Pedro Falcato
2026-06-20 18:19   ` ilya.gladyshev
2026-06-21  1:40     ` Zi Yan
2026-06-22  7:55       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-06-21  4:46     ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-21 21:34       ` Gladyshev Ilya
2026-06-21 21:50         ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-21 22:53         ` Linus Torvalds
2026-06-22  8:15       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)

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