From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
To: Andi Kleen <andi-Vw/NltI1exuRpAAqCnN02g@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>,
"Paul E. McKenney"
<paulmck-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>,
Dave Watson <davejwatson-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org>,
linux-kernel
<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
linux-api <linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
Paul Turner <pjt-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Andrew Morton
<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
Russell King <linux-lFZ/pmaqli7XmaaqVzeoHQ@public.gmane.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
Andrew Hunter <ahh-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Chris Lameter <cl-vYTEC60ixJUAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
Ben Maurer <bmaurer-b10kYP2dOMg@public.gmane.org>,
rostedt <rostedt-nx8X9YLhiw1AfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>,
Josh Triplett <josh-iaAMLnmF4UmaiuxdJuQwMA@public.gmane.org>,
Linus Torvalds
<torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>,
Will
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v12 00/22] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:05:08 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <740195164.19702.1511301908907.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171121172144.GL2482-1g7Xle2YJi4/4alezvVtWx2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
----- On Nov 21, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Andi Kleen andi-Vw/NltI1exuRpAAqCnN02g@public.gmane.org wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 09:18:38AM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Following changes based on a thorough coding style and patch changelog
>> review from Thomas Gleixner and Peter Zijlstra, I'm respinning this
>> series for another RFC.
>>
> My suggestion would be that you also split out the opv system call.
> That seems to be main contention point currently, and the restartable
> sequences should be useful without it.
I consider rseq to be incomplete and a pain to use in various scenarios
without cpu_opv.
About the contention point you refer to:
Using vDSO as an example of how things should be done is just wrong: the
vDSO interaction with debugger instruction single-stepping is broken,
as I detailed in my previous email.
Thomas' proposal of handling single-stepping with a user-space locking
fallback, which is pretty much what I had in 2016, pushes a lot of
complexity to user-space, requires an extra branch in the fast-path,
as well as additional store-release/load-acquire semantics for consistency.
I don't plan going down that route.
Other than that, I have not received any concrete alternative proposal to
properly handle single-stepping.
The only opposition against cpu_opv is that there *should* be an hypothetical
simpler solution. The rseq idea is not new: it's been presented by Paul Turner
in 2012 at LPC. And so far, cpu_opv is the overall simplest and most
efficient way I encountered to handle single-stepping, and it gives extra
benefits, as described in my changelog.
Thanks,
Mathieu
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com
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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
Dave Watson <davejwatson@fb.com>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-api <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Andrew Hunter <ahh@google.com>, Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
Ben Maurer <bmaurer@fb.com>, rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v12 00/22] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 22:05:08 +0000 (UTC) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <740195164.19702.1511301908907.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20171121172144.GL2482@two.firstfloor.org>
----- On Nov 21, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Andi Kleen andi@firstfloor.org wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 09:18:38AM -0500, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Following changes based on a thorough coding style and patch changelog
>> review from Thomas Gleixner and Peter Zijlstra, I'm respinning this
>> series for another RFC.
>>
> My suggestion would be that you also split out the opv system call.
> That seems to be main contention point currently, and the restartable
> sequences should be useful without it.
I consider rseq to be incomplete and a pain to use in various scenarios
without cpu_opv.
About the contention point you refer to:
Using vDSO as an example of how things should be done is just wrong: the
vDSO interaction with debugger instruction single-stepping is broken,
as I detailed in my previous email.
Thomas' proposal of handling single-stepping with a user-space locking
fallback, which is pretty much what I had in 2016, pushes a lot of
complexity to user-space, requires an extra branch in the fast-path,
as well as additional store-release/load-acquire semantics for consistency.
I don't plan going down that route.
Other than that, I have not received any concrete alternative proposal to
properly handle single-stepping.
The only opposition against cpu_opv is that there *should* be an hypothetical
simpler solution. The rseq idea is not new: it's been presented by Paul Turner
in 2012 at LPC. And so far, cpu_opv is the overall simplest and most
efficient way I encountered to handle single-stepping, and it gives extra
benefits, as described in my changelog.
Thanks,
Mathieu
--
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com
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2017-11-21 14:18 [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v12 00/22] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 01/22] uapi headers: Provide types_32_64.h Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v12 02/22] rseq: Introduce restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 03/22] arm: Add restartable sequences support Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 04/22] arm: Wire up restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 07/22] powerpc: Add support for restartable sequences Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 08/22] powerpc: Wire up restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 09/22] sched: Implement push_task_to_cpu Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v4 10/22] cpu_opv: Provide cpu_opv system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 11/22] x86: Wire up " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 12/22] powerpc: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 13/22] arm: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v3 14/22] cpu_opv: selftests: Implement selftests Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` mathieu.desnoyers
[not found] ` <20171121141900.18471-15-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 15:17 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 15:17 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 15:17 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 15:17 ` shuah
[not found] ` <c311cd4b-4d8f-bfb5-3731-2cb2eefa4865-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 16:46 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 16:46 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 16:46 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 16:46 ` mathieu.desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v3 15/22] rseq: selftests: Provide self-tests Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <20171121141900.18471-16-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 15:34 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 15:34 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 17:05 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 17:05 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 17:05 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 17:05 ` mathieu.desnoyers
2017-11-21 17:40 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 17:40 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 17:40 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 17:40 ` shuah
2017-11-21 21:22 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 21:22 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 21:22 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 21:22 ` mathieu.desnoyers
[not found] ` <911090321.19621.1511299340968.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 21:24 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 21:24 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 21:24 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 21:24 ` shuahkh
[not found] ` <d059d29d-83a7-f16d-dc84-05a4609a3479-JPH+aEBZ4P+UEJcrhfAQsw@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 21:44 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 21:44 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 21:44 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 21:44 ` mathieu.desnoyers
2017-11-22 19:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-22 19:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-22 19:38 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-22 19:38 ` peterz
[not found] ` <20171122193821.GJ3165-IIpfhp3q70x9+YH6RuovlLjjLBE8jN/0@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-23 21:16 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-23 21:16 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-23 21:16 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-23 21:16 ` mathieu.desnoyers
2017-11-22 21:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-22 21:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-22 21:48 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-22 21:48 ` peterz
[not found] ` <20171122214813.GK3165-IIpfhp3q70x9+YH6RuovlLjjLBE8jN/0@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-23 22:53 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-23 22:53 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-23 22:53 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-23 22:53 ` mathieu.desnoyers
2017-11-23 8:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-23 8:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-23 8:55 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-23 8:55 ` peterz
[not found] ` <20171123085511.ohwuobf5v32vggho-Nxj+rRp3nVydTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-23 8:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-23 8:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-23 8:57 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-23 8:57 ` peterz
[not found] ` <20171123085721.bzburngdsatgewjo-Nxj+rRp3nVydTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-24 14:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-24 14:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-24 14:15 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-24 14:15 ` mathieu.desnoyers
2017-11-24 13:55 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-24 13:55 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-24 13:55 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-24 13:55 ` mathieu.desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 16/22] rseq: selftests: arm: workaround gcc asm size guess Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` mathieu.desnoyers
[not found] ` <20171121141900.18471-17-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 15:39 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 15:39 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 15:39 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 15:39 ` shuah
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 17/22] Fix: membarrier: add missing preempt off around smp_call_function_many Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 18/22] membarrier: selftest: Test private expedited cmd Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` mathieu.desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v7 19/22] powerpc: membarrier: Skip memory barrier in switch_mm() Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v5 20/22] membarrier: Document scheduler barrier requirements Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v2 21/22] membarrier: provide SHARED_EXPEDITED command Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:19 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 22/22] membarrier: selftest: Test shared expedited cmd Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:19 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:19 ` mathieu.desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:19 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 17:21 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v12 00/22] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector Andi Kleen
2017-11-21 17:21 ` Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <20171121172144.GL2482-1g7Xle2YJi4/4alezvVtWx2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 22:05 ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2017-11-21 22:05 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <740195164.19702.1511301908907.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 22:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-21 22:59 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-22 12:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-22 12:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <809252084.19901.1511354219731.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-22 15:25 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-22 15:25 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-22 19:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-22 19:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-22 19:37 ` Will Deacon
2017-11-22 19:37 ` Will Deacon
[not found] ` <20171122193734.GO22648-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-23 21:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-23 21:15 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <165707648.21250.1511471721845.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-23 22:51 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-23 22:51 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-23 23:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-23 23:01 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <739755311.21380.1511478071883.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-23 23:38 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-23 23:38 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-24 0:04 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-24 0:04 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <1589826840.21401.1511481874141.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-24 14:47 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-24 14:47 ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-23 21:13 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-23 21:13 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-23 21:49 ` Andi Kleen
2017-11-23 21:49 ` Andi Kleen
2017-11-22 15:28 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-11-22 15:28 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrX84s-WEa5osP0t6CKh8C4Wj7-ARNMpaSp8Eop1_2ycLA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-22 16:43 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-22 16:43 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <718035530.20074.1511369023901.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-22 18:10 ` Andi Kleen
2017-11-22 18:10 ` Andi Kleen
[not found] ` <20171121141900.18471-1-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 05/22] x86: Add support for restartable sequences Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 06/22] x86: Wire up restartable sequence system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 22:19 ` [PATCH update for 4.15 1/3] selftests: lib.mk: Introduce OVERRIDE_TARGETS Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 22:19 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 22:19 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 22:19 ` mathieu.desnoyers
[not found] ` <20171121221933.25959-1-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 22:22 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 22:22 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 22:22 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 22:22 ` mathieu.desnoyers
2017-11-22 15:16 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-22 15:16 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-22 15:16 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Shuah Khan
2017-11-22 15:16 ` shuah
2017-11-21 22:19 ` [PATCH update for 4.15 2/3] cpu_opv: selftests: Implement selftests (v4) Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 22:19 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 22:19 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 22:19 ` mathieu.desnoyers
[not found] ` <20171121221933.25959-2-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-22 15:20 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-22 15:20 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-22 15:20 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Shuah Khan
2017-11-22 15:20 ` shuah
2017-11-21 22:19 ` [PATCH update for 4.15 3/3] rseq: selftests: Provide self-tests (v4) Mathieu Desnoyers
[not found] ` <20171121221933.25959-3-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-22 15:23 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-22 15:23 ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-22 15:23 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Shuah Khan
2017-11-22 15:23 ` shuah
2017-11-22 16:31 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-22 16:31 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-22 16:31 ` [Linux-kselftest-mirror] " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-22 16:31 ` mathieu.desnoyers
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