Re: Hammerfall DSP System Problems

Re: Hammerfall DSP System Problems

[frankgaetano]

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Paul,
 Thanks for responding. I am using the current CVS of Alsa version 0.9.4. 

Frank

Paul Davis <paul@linuxaudiosystems.com> wrote:

>> I recently purchased a Hammerfall DSP system to use on Windows and 
>>especially LINUX for use on Ardour. I have the multiface system. I 
>>must say I am confused on the support of the newest version of this 
>>pci card (I know that I have firmware version 11). I downloaded the 
>>current CVS on alsa-dev and compiled it fine. However when I run 
>>modprobe I get the following error: 
>
>there are a number problems with the hdsp driver at present. fixing
>
>them is mostly a matter of at least 1 of 3 people finding time to work
>
>on it. however, your initial problems are different:
>
> 
>>Using /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o 
>>/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: unresolved 
>>symbol snd_hammerfall_get_buffer_R5bab1fdf 
>
>you don't have a version of the ALSA drivers compiled in a way that
>
>will allow the kernel module system to work. you need to fix this
>
>first. someone else will have to comment on how to do that. you should
>
>probably specify which version of ALSA you are using since there are
>
>many changes to ALSA all the time. it appears to me that you may have
>
>a version of ALSA that doesn't build the rawmidi module that the hdsp
>
>requires to support it. 
>
>--p
>
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RE: Hammerfall DSP System Problems

[Mark Knecht]

> >
> >Later that evening I powered down. Upon rebooting the next morning it
> >failed, and has failed ever since. That was last Thursday evening.
>
> the same thing happened to me a week ago. i have, as usual, not had
> time to investigate further.
>

Well, it is actually quite comforting to know that folks with far more
experience than I sometimes see the same strange behaviors!

> >
> >This whole Alsa/HDSP thing is amazingly weird...
>
> at the moment, i regret that we made the move to user-space loading of
> the "firmware" when we did. i think now that it was a mistake to do it
> at that time. it has caused a fundamental change in the way the driver
> sets up, but it came at a time when we weren't confident that setup
> was working for various cases.

I'm sure that it will get worked out. I think Joshua is currently having
some good successes with the HDSP 9652, and I'm currently learning how to
modify a Gentoo ebuild to accomplish doing a patch. I also have (after more
pain than I wish to recount) Windows on this Gentoo box in a dual boot
config, and have the RME firmware tools to upgrade and downgrade, so I think
I'm almost set to be able to try this stuff out again.

I'm sure over the next few weeks and months this will get straightened out.
:-)

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Re: Hammerfall DSP System Problems

[Joshua N Pritikin]

On Tue, Jun 10, 2003 at 01:02:57PM -0700, Mark Knecht wrote:
> I'm sure that it will get worked out. I think Joshua is currently having
> some good successes with the HDSP 9652,

Yes, it works.

> and I'm currently learning how to
> modify a Gentoo ebuild to accomplish doing a patch. I also have (after more
> pain than I wish to recount) Windows on this Gentoo box in a dual boot
> config, and have the RME firmware tools to upgrade and downgrade, so I think
> I'm almost set to be able to try this stuff out again.

For what it's worth, i had problems with alsa 0.9.4 & SMP.  i think
there are some spinlock changes that aren't very well debugged yet.
On the other hand, alsa 0.9rc7 seems fairly stable.  i've gotten
some lockups, but i've also used jack for 4-5 hours without any
problem.

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RE: Hammerfall DSP System Problems

[Mark Knecht]

> > so I think
> > I'm almost set to be able to try this stuff out again.
>
> For what it's worth, i had problems with alsa 0.9.4 & SMP.  i think
> there are some spinlock changes that aren't very well debugged yet.
> On the other hand, alsa 0.9rc7 seems fairly stable.  i've gotten
> some lockups, but i've also used jack for 4-5 hours without any
> problem.

Well, I found last night that if I removed Alsa and then rebuilt it, that as
long as I didn't power down 0.9.4-rc1 stayed up and I could see my card even
after a warm boot, but again, after a cold boot Alsa no longer recognized
the card.

So, my new strategy is that every morning, as I brew my tea, I now do:

emerge -C alsa-driver alsa-utils alsa-tools
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge alsa-driver alsa-utils alsa-tools

and then warm boot to get the driver to find the card. I still don't get
sound, but at least my CPU knows the card is there.

I guess life is good when you finally know how to cope with it! ;-)

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RE: RE: Hammerfall DSP System Problems

[Mark Knecht]

>
>  /sbin/modprobe snd-rawmidi
> /sbin/modprobe snd-hammerfall-mem
> /sbin/modprobe snd-hwdep
> /sbin/modprobe snd-hdsp
>
>  After I issue the last command I get the following errors:
>
> /lib/modules/2.4.19/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: init_module:
> No such device
> Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters,
> including invalid IO or IRQ parameters
>

I am having the very same problems with my HDSP 9652. What's even stranger
is, in my case, that for one evening the card worked, at least as far as
loading the driver. (No sound, but the driver loaded.) I was able to look at
/proc/asound/card0 (or whatever the directory/device was at the time...) and
see sensible stuff. I even took some screen shots and sent email to another
individual as I was debugging why I had no sound.

Later that evening I powered down. Upon rebooting the next morning it
failed, and has failed ever since. That was last Thursday evening.

I too am using 0.9.4 as provided in the Gentoo emerge, along with a custom
compiled kernel.

Like you I think the HDSP driver understands my firmware revision. I have
also downgraded and upgraded my firmware without success.

This whole Alsa/HDSP thing is amazingly weird...

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Re: Hammerfall DSP System Problems

[Paul Davis]

>I am having the very same problems with my HDSP 9652. What's even stranger
>is, in my case, that for one evening the card worked, at least as far as
>loading the driver. (No sound, but the driver loaded.) I was able to look at
>/proc/asound/card0 (or whatever the directory/device was at the time...) and
>see sensible stuff. I even took some screen shots and sent email to another
>individual as I was debugging why I had no sound.
>
>Later that evening I powered down. Upon rebooting the next morning it
>failed, and has failed ever since. That was last Thursday evening.

the same thing happened to me a week ago. i have, as usual, not had
time to investigate further.

>I too am using 0.9.4 as provided in the Gentoo emerge, along with a custom
>compiled kernel.
>
>Like you I think the HDSP driver understands my firmware revision. I have
>also downgraded and upgraded my firmware without success.
>
>This whole Alsa/HDSP thing is amazingly weird...

at the moment, i regret that we made the move to user-space loading of
the "firmware" when we did. i think now that it was a mistake to do it
at that time. it has caused a fundamental change in the way the driver
sets up, but it came at a time when we weren't confident that setup
was working for various cases. 




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Re: Hammerfall DSP System Problems

[Jesse Chappell]

On Tue, 10 Jun 2003, Paul Davis wrote:
> >Like you I think the HDSP driver understands my firmware revision. I have
> >also downgraded and upgraded my firmware without success.
> >
> >This whole Alsa/HDSP thing is amazingly weird...
> 
> at the moment, i regret that we made the move to user-space loading of
> the "firmware" when we did. i think now that it was a mistake to do it
> at that time. it has caused a fundamental change in the way the driver
> sets up, but it came at a time when we weren't confident that setup
> was working for various cases. 

I have now joined the ranks of troubleshooting HDSP owner.  I 
have a cardbus HDSP (rev 0b) with a Multiface.  IBM Thinkpad A31.
Kernel 2.4.20 LL+preemp with cardbus support in kernel.
Multiface connected and powered via AC adaptor.
I've been trying alsa-driver-0.9.4, and I detail my setup and 
problems below: 

snd-hammerfall-mem  loads normally

snd-hdsp            first stage loads fine (dmesg output snip):
  PCI: Setting latency timer of device 06:00.0 to 64
  ALSA ../../alsa-kernel/pci/rme9652/hdsp.c:4110: card initialization pending : waiting for firmware

------------------
# hdsploader
hdsploader - firmware loader for RME Hammerfall DSP cards
Looking for HDSP + Multiface or Digiface cards :
Card 0 : RME Hammerfall DSP at 0x31000000, irq 9
Upload firmware for card hw:0
Hwdep ioctl error on card hw:0 : Input/output error.
------------------------

dmesg snippet while hdsploader ran with extra debugging added by 
me:
 ALSA ../../alsa-kernel/pci/rme9652/hdsp.c:644: wait for FIFO status <= 0 failed after 30 iterations
 ALSA ../../alsa-kernel/pci/rme9652/hdsp.c:3804: initializing firmware upload
 ALSA ../../alsa-kernel/pci/rme9652/hdsp.c:522: loading firmware
....
 the code in snd_hdsp_create_alsa_devices() is executed here, 
successfully up until snd_hdsp_set_defaults() is called.  In that 
function, the loop where the gains for the matrix mixer are 
silenced executes hdsp_write_gain 128 times, and on the next 
iteration the following message is thrown:
 ALSA ../../alsa-kernel/pci/rme9652/hdsp.c:644:  
    wait for FIFO status <= 127 failed after 5000 iterations
causing the function to return -EIO hence the ioctl error passed 
back to hdsploader.

Any attempts to run hdsploader again result in more errors 
involving FIFO timeouts, getting worse until the following 
message is thrown every time:
 ALSA ../../alsa-kernel/pci/rme9652/hdsp.c:3804: initializing firmware upload
 ALSA ../../alsa-kernel/pci/rme9652/hdsp.c:508: Hammerfall-DSP: no  Digiface or Multiface connected!

Unloading the modules, and ejecting and reinserting the card 
doesn't help matters, nor does a warm reboot.  I do not have 
windows on the laptop (yet) so I have not attempted to get it 
working there (to load the multiface firmware, then warm boot) or 
to downgrade the hdsp firmware to 0a.  Ideally, I can help to 
debug the primary problems with recent HDSP and recent ALSA.... I 
don't *need* to use the hardware right away (but I would like 
to :) 

If there is any offlist discussion about the HDSP debugging, 
please include me in those messages.

D R Holsbeck, what version of ALSA, and what HDSP firmware 
are you successfully using on your A31?  I know you have the 
Digiface though... I have the multiface.

Paul, any info you have on the initialization steps or iobox 
identification would be useful.  The code in 
hdsp_get_iobox_version() seems a bit odd to me.  I always get 
the:  ALSA ../../alsa-kernel/pci/rme9652/hdsp.c:644: 
     wait for FIFO status <= 0 failed after 30 iterations
 in the primary conditional where it picks multiface or digiface.  
I suppose that is intentional, but I wonder if that technique 
masks some other problem, even though I do have a multiface.  How 
does that sequence work?

I want to get this crap working so I can test ardour better 
:)

jlc

   


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Re: Hammerfall DSP System Problems

[Jesse Chappell]

On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, Jesse Chappell wrote:
> doesn't help matters, nor does a warm reboot.  I do not have 
> windows on the laptop (yet) so I have not attempted to get it 
> working there (to load the multiface firmware, then warm boot) or 
> to downgrade the hdsp firmware to 0a.  Ideally, I can help to 
> debug the primary problems with recent HDSP and recent ALSA.... I 
> don't *need* to use the hardware right away (but I would like 
> to :) 

Woohoo!

Well, there is no time like the present.  I installed windows XP
and the RME drivers.  No problems there, HDSP works in windows,
red light gone.  Warm reboot into Linux, everything loads and
works like a champ!  I think that this solution was mentioned by
someone not too long ago on the list archives.

I am still interested in solving the problem so that the 
firmware loading to the multiface/digiface all works within 
linux.  I will try my hand at fixes if folks have any ideas.

jlc



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Re: Hammerfall DSP System Problems

[Jaakko Prättälä]

On Thursday 12 June 2003 08:13, Jesse Chappell wrote:
> Hwdep ioctl error on card hw:0 : Input/output error.
[...]
>  ALSA ../../alsa-kernel/pci/rme9652/hdsp.c:644:
>     wait for FIFO status <= 127 failed after 5000 iterations
> causing the function to return -EIO hence the ioctl error passed
> back to hdsploader.

This is exactly what I'm seeing on my hp xe4100
(with multiface+cardbus). Thank you Jesse for your explanation.

> If there is any offlist discussion about the HDSP debugging,
> please include me in those messages.

Yes, please, me too.

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Re: Hammerfall DSP System Problems

[Jesse Chappell]

On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, D R Holsbeck wrote:

> The newer Alsa code (with the new HDSP firmware code), has some new
> device nodes, that dont get handled correctly if you are using the
> devfs. I havent worked it all out yet, but running the snddevices script
> will create them. Here is my list of my /dev/snd directory
> 
> Do you have all the device nodes setup? Especially the hwC*D* nodes? I
> had problems running the hdsploader at first, because these nodes are
> not being handled by the devfsd correctly.

No luck, running snddevices created the extra hw nodes but I got  
the same behavior when running hdsploader.  The only node I had 
before running the script was hwC1D0.

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Re: Hammerfall DSP System Problems

[Mark Knecht]

On Sun, 2003-06-22 at 07:57, Jesse Chappell wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003, D R Holsbeck wrote:
> 
> > The newer Alsa code (with the new HDSP firmware code), has some new
> > device nodes, that dont get handled correctly if you are using the
> > devfs. I havent worked it all out yet, but running the snddevices script
> > will create them. Here is my list of my /dev/snd directory
> > 
> > Do you have all the device nodes setup? Especially the hwC*D* nodes? I
> > had problems running the hdsploader at first, because these nodes are
> > not being handled by the devfsd correctly.
> 
> No luck, running snddevices created the extra hw nodes but I got  
> the same behavior when running hdsploader.  The only node I had 
> before running the script was hwC1D0.
> 

Are any of you DSP users having any luck with the MIDI interface? I'm
finding it still drops lots of notes, which has so far stimied any
possibilities of my doing soft synths using Linux.

Thanks,
Mark



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Hammerfall DSP System Problems

[frankgaetano]

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Hello, 
  I recently purchased a Hammerfall DSP system to use on Windows and 
especially LINUX for use on Ardour. I have the multiface system. I 
must say I am confused on the support of the newest version of this 
pci card (I know that I have firmware version 11). I downloaded the 
current CVS on alsa-dev and compiled it fine. However when I run 
modprobe I get the following error: 
 
 /sbin/modprobe snd-hdsp 
/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: 
init_module: No such device 
Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters, 
including invalid IO or IRQ parameters 
/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: insmod 
/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o failed 
/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: insmod 
snd-hdsp failed 
 
Then when I just offer the command insmod snd-hdsp I get the 
following: 
 
/sbin/insmod snd-hdsp 
Using /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o 
/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: unresolved 
symbol snd_hammerfall_get_buffer_R5bab1fdf 
/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: unresolved 
symbol snd_rawmidi_receive_R1e37534c 
/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: unresolved 
symbol snd_rawmidi_transmit_Rf1a57f87 
/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: unresolved 
symbol snd_hwdep_new_Rcd2873ef 
/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: unresolved 
symbol snd_rawmidi_new_R0bc1cb4d 
/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: unresolved 
symbol snd_rawmidi_set_ops_Rc12d8ec9 
/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: unresolved 
symbol snd_rawmidi_transmit_empty_R1a8b7b46 
/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: unresolved 
symbol snd_hammerfall_free_buffer_R4d176ca0 
 
/var/log/messages gives me the following: 
 
Jun  5 17:17:00 musicman kernel: Hammerfall memory allocator: buffers 
allocated 
for 1 cards 
Jun  5 17:17:00 musicman kernel: RME Hammerfall-DSP: no cards found 
Jun  5 17:30:40 musicman kernel: Hammerfall memory allocator: buffers 
allocated 
for 1 cards 
Jun  5 17:30:40 musicman kernel: RME Hammerfall-DSP: no cards found 
Jun  5 17:30:40 musicman insmod: 
/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/ 
snd-hdsp.o: init_module: No such device 
Jun  5 17:30:40 musicman insmod: Hint: insmod errors can be caused by 
incorrect 
module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters 
Jun  5 17:30:40 musicman insmod: 
/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/ 
snd-hdsp.o: insmod snd-card-0 failed 
Jun  5 17:30:40 musicman kernel: Hammerfall memory allocator: buffers 
allocated 
for 1 cards 
Jun  5 17:30:40 musicman kernel: RME Hammerfall-DSP: no cards found 
Jun  5 17:30:40 musicman insmod: 
/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/ 
snd-hdsp.o: init_module: No such device 
Jun  5 17:30:40 musicman insmod: Hint: insmod errors can be caused by 
incorrect 
module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters 
Jun  5 17:30:40 musicman insmod: 
/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/ 
snd-hdsp.o: insmod snd-card-0 failed 
 
When I run hdsploader it completes but says nothing like this: 
 
hdsploader - firmware loader for RME Hammerfall DSP cards 
Looking for HDSP + Multiface or Digiface cards : 
 
 
I have the multiface connected while I run it.  I am really confused 
with this card and driver. I am new to alsa but not to Linux. I would 
really like to run this card. Any help will be great. However, if this 
situation has been resolved I am sorry. I just need to be pointed in 
the right direction. 
 
Thanks, 
Frank Emanuele 
 
 
 
 



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Re: Hammerfall DSP System Problems

[Paul Davis]

>  I recently purchased a Hammerfall DSP system to use on Windows and 
>especially LINUX for use on Ardour. I have the multiface system. I 
>must say I am confused on the support of the newest version of this 
>pci card (I know that I have firmware version 11). I downloaded the 
>current CVS on alsa-dev and compiled it fine. However when I run 
>modprobe I get the following error: 

there are a number problems with the hdsp driver at present. fixing
them is mostly a matter of at least 1 of 3 people finding time to work
on it. however, your initial problems are different:
 
>Using /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o 
>/lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: unresolved 
>symbol snd_hammerfall_get_buffer_R5bab1fdf 

you don't have a version of the ALSA drivers compiled in a way that
will allow the kernel module system to work. you need to fix this
first. someone else will have to comment on how to do that. you should
probably specify which version of ALSA you are using since there are
many changes to ALSA all the time. it appears to me that you may have
a version of ALSA that doesn't build the rawmidi module that the hdsp
requires to support it. 

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RE: Hammerfall DSP System Problems

[Mark Knecht]

Hi Frank,
   I'm an HDSP 9652 non-user for many of the same reasons. A couple of
comments below.
Mark

>
>
> Hello,
>   I recently purchased a Hammerfall DSP system to use on Windows and
> especially LINUX for use on Ardour. I have the multiface system. I
> must say I am confused on the support of the newest version of this
> pci card (I know that I have firmware version 11). I downloaded the
> current CVS on alsa-dev and compiled it fine. However when I run
> modprobe I get the following error:
>
>  /sbin/modprobe snd-hdsp
> /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o:
> init_module: No such device

[MWK] This is sometimes caused by a mismatch between between the firmware
revision in your card/box and those firmware revisions that the driver knows
about. Run lspci to see what your card has, and read through the driver code
to see what the driver knows about.

NOTE TO DEVELOPERS - Can't you make this message "init_module: No such
device" more descriptive, such as "init_module: Checked for devices with PCI
Device ID's XXX, firmware revisions AA, BB, CC, DD & EE - No devices found"?
Many people, including me, don't know how to read source code and can't give
you as much direct information. Just a thought.



> Hint: insmod errors can be caused by incorrect module parameters,
> including invalid IO or IRQ parameters
> /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: insmod
> /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o failed
> /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: insmod
> snd-hdsp failed
>
> Then when I just offer the command insmod snd-hdsp I get the
> following:
>
> /sbin/insmod snd-hdsp
> Using /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o
> /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: unresolved
> symbol snd_hammerfall_get_buffer_R5bab1fdf
> /lib/modules/2.4.18-3/kernel/sound/pci/rme9652/snd-hdsp.o: unresolved
> symbol snd_rawmidi_receive_R1e37534c

[MWK] I have seen these sorts of errors when:

1) The kernel source code that the driver was compiled against is not the
same as the kernel that's running. For instanace, you have a standard
distribution kernel and a custom kernel from kernel.org. If you are running
the standard kernel, but the Alsa driver was compiled with /usr/src/linux
pointing at the custom kernel, then problems ensue.

2) The C compiler used to compile Alsa does not match the compiler used to
compile the kernel.

<SNIP>
>
> When I run hdsploader it completes but says nothing like this:
>
> hdsploader - firmware loader for RME Hammerfall DSP cards
> Looking for HDSP + Multiface or Digiface cards :
>

[MWK] Again, this strikes me that Alsa does not understand your firmware
revision since it isn't even finding a card.

Good luck!!




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