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From: "Heiko Stübner" <heiko@sntech.de>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
Cc: palmer@dabbelt.com, paul.walmsley@sifive.com,
	aou@eecs.berkeley.edu, herbert@gondor.apana.org.au,
	davem@davemloft.net, conor.dooley@microchip.com,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, christoph.muellner@vrull.eu
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/4] Implement GCM ghash using Zbc and Zbkb extensions
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 01:20:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7664296.GXAFRqVoOG@diego> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230426225550.GA65659@sol.localdomain>

Hi Eric,

Am Donnerstag, 27. April 2023, 00:55:50 CEST schrieb Eric Biggers:
> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 04:06:38PM +0200, Heiko Stuebner wrote:
> > From: Heiko Stuebner <heiko.stuebner@vrull.eu>
> > 
> > This was originally part of my vector crypto series, but was part
> > of a separate openssl merge request implementing GCM ghash as using
> > non-vector extensions.
> > 
> > As that pull-request
> >     https://github.com/openssl/openssl/pull/20078
> > got merged recently into openssl, we could also check if this could
> > go into the kernel as well and provide a base for further accelerated
> > cryptographic support.
> 
> One more question.  It seems that this patchset uses the RISC-V scalar crypto
> extensions.  I've been hearing rumors that the RISC-V scalar crypto extensions
> have been superseded by the vector crypto extensions.  Is that accurate?  I
> wonder if it's worth putting effort into implementations that use the scalar
> crypto extensions when they might already be obsolete.

Yes there are the vector crypto extensions - still deep in the
ratification process.

And of course the RISC-V speciality, all extensions are separate
entities that core manufacturers can select at will.

And I guess the whole vector extension + vector-crypto extensions
might require more investment for manufacturers, where the variants
introduced here also "just" work with bitmanip instructions (Zbb + Zbc
extensions).


But for me, this small bit of scalar crypto is also sort of a stepping
stone :-). Previous versions [0] already included patches using the
vector crypto extensions too, I just split that into a separate thing,
as _this_ series actually uses ratified extensions :-)


Heiko



[0] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20230313191302.580787-12-heiko.stuebner@vrull.eu/T/



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From: "Heiko Stübner" <heiko@sntech.de>
To: Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>
Cc: palmer@dabbelt.com, paul.walmsley@sifive.com,
	aou@eecs.berkeley.edu, herbert@gondor.apana.org.au,
	davem@davemloft.net, conor.dooley@microchip.com,
	linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, christoph.muellner@vrull.eu
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/4] Implement GCM ghash using Zbc and Zbkb extensions
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2023 01:20:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7664296.GXAFRqVoOG@diego> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230426225550.GA65659@sol.localdomain>

Hi Eric,

Am Donnerstag, 27. April 2023, 00:55:50 CEST schrieb Eric Biggers:
> On Wed, Mar 29, 2023 at 04:06:38PM +0200, Heiko Stuebner wrote:
> > From: Heiko Stuebner <heiko.stuebner@vrull.eu>
> > 
> > This was originally part of my vector crypto series, but was part
> > of a separate openssl merge request implementing GCM ghash as using
> > non-vector extensions.
> > 
> > As that pull-request
> >     https://github.com/openssl/openssl/pull/20078
> > got merged recently into openssl, we could also check if this could
> > go into the kernel as well and provide a base for further accelerated
> > cryptographic support.
> 
> One more question.  It seems that this patchset uses the RISC-V scalar crypto
> extensions.  I've been hearing rumors that the RISC-V scalar crypto extensions
> have been superseded by the vector crypto extensions.  Is that accurate?  I
> wonder if it's worth putting effort into implementations that use the scalar
> crypto extensions when they might already be obsolete.

Yes there are the vector crypto extensions - still deep in the
ratification process.

And of course the RISC-V speciality, all extensions are separate
entities that core manufacturers can select at will.

And I guess the whole vector extension + vector-crypto extensions
might require more investment for manufacturers, where the variants
introduced here also "just" work with bitmanip instructions (Zbb + Zbc
extensions).


But for me, this small bit of scalar crypto is also sort of a stepping
stone :-). Previous versions [0] already included patches using the
vector crypto extensions too, I just split that into a separate thing,
as _this_ series actually uses ratified extensions :-)


Heiko



[0] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20230313191302.580787-12-heiko.stuebner@vrull.eu/T/



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Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-29 14:06 [PATCH v4 0/4] Implement GCM ghash using Zbc and Zbkb extensions Heiko Stuebner
2023-03-29 14:06 ` Heiko Stuebner
2023-03-29 14:06 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] RISC-V: add Zbc extension detection Heiko Stuebner
2023-03-29 14:06   ` Heiko Stuebner
2023-03-29 14:06 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] RISC-V: add Zbkb " Heiko Stuebner
2023-03-29 14:06   ` Heiko Stuebner
2023-03-29 14:06 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] RISC-V: hook new crypto subdir into build-system Heiko Stuebner
2023-03-29 14:06   ` Heiko Stuebner
2023-03-29 14:06 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] RISC-V: crypto: add accelerated GCM GHASH implementation Heiko Stuebner
2023-03-29 14:06   ` Heiko Stuebner
2023-03-29 18:37   ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-29 18:37     ` Eric Biggers
2023-03-29 19:20     ` Heiko Stübner
2023-03-29 19:20       ` Heiko Stübner
2023-04-05 15:04       ` Heiko Stübner
2023-04-05 15:04         ` Heiko Stübner
2023-06-12 14:45         ` Heiko Stübner
2023-06-12 14:45           ` Heiko Stübner
2023-04-11 15:00   ` Nathan Huckleberry
2023-04-11 15:00     ` Nathan Huckleberry
2023-05-11 10:30     ` Heiko Stübner
2023-05-11 10:30       ` Heiko Stübner
2023-05-11 19:02       ` Nathan Huckleberry
2023-05-11 19:02         ` Nathan Huckleberry
2023-03-29 18:43 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] Implement GCM ghash using Zbc and Zbkb extensions Eric Biggers
2023-03-29 18:43   ` Eric Biggers
2023-04-26 22:55 ` Eric Biggers
2023-04-26 22:55   ` Eric Biggers
2023-04-26 23:20   ` Heiko Stübner [this message]
2023-04-26 23:20     ` Heiko Stübner
2023-04-26 23:23     ` Eric Biggers
2023-04-26 23:23       ` Eric Biggers
2023-04-26 23:28       ` Heiko Stübner
2023-04-26 23:28         ` Heiko Stübner

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