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From: Kevin Hilman <khilman@kernel.org>
To: Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 00/11] PM / Domains: Generic OF-based support
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 15:45:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7hppej8glk.fsf@deeprootsystems.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140925112122.GA22753@ulmo> (Thierry Reding's message of "Thu, 25 Sep 2014 13:21:24 +0200")

Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com> writes:

> I just noticed these patches because they conflicted with some of the
> local patches I had to add a very similar framework. One of the reasons
> why I hadn't posted these publicly yet is because the platform where I
> want to use this (Tegra) is somewhat quirky when it comes to power
> domains.
>
> On Tegra these domains are called power gates and they currently have
> their own API. We've been looking at migrating things over to some
> generic framework for some time and PM domains do seem like a good fit.
> However one of the quirks regarding these domains on Tegra is that a
> fixed sequence exists that needs to be respected when enabling or
> disabling a power partition. The exact sequence can be found in the
> drivers/soc/tegra/pmc.c driver's tegra_powergate_sequence_power_up()
> function. Essentially we need to call into the clock and reset drivers
> at very specific moments during the operations that the PMC does.
>
> One solution to this would be to make the needed clocks and resets
> available to the power domain driver via DT, but then we have the
> problem that two drivers would be controlling the same resources. For
> example drivers could still want to disable the clock for more fine-
> grained power management. 

I think you're on the right path here.  You can get rid of this conflict
by removing the direct/manual clock management from the drivers, and
using runtime PM instead: s/clk_enable/pm_runtime_get_sync/,
s/clk_disable/pm_runtime_put_sync/.  When using runtime PM, those calls
trickle down through the power domain driver, which can manage the
device clocks, as well as any additional clocks and resets needed for
power gating.

> Furthermore for some devices it may turn out that turning the domain
> off and on introduces too much latency to be useful.

In these cases, you should use the per-device PM QoS framework to set
per-device latencies.  Then your power-domain can look up these
latencies and decide whether or not to actually power gate or not.

Kevin

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: khilman@kernel.org (Kevin Hilman)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v5 00/11] PM / Domains: Generic OF-based support
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 15:45:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7hppej8glk.fsf@deeprootsystems.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140925112122.GA22753@ulmo> (Thierry Reding's message of "Thu, 25 Sep 2014 13:21:24 +0200")

Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com> writes:

> I just noticed these patches because they conflicted with some of the
> local patches I had to add a very similar framework. One of the reasons
> why I hadn't posted these publicly yet is because the platform where I
> want to use this (Tegra) is somewhat quirky when it comes to power
> domains.
>
> On Tegra these domains are called power gates and they currently have
> their own API. We've been looking at migrating things over to some
> generic framework for some time and PM domains do seem like a good fit.
> However one of the quirks regarding these domains on Tegra is that a
> fixed sequence exists that needs to be respected when enabling or
> disabling a power partition. The exact sequence can be found in the
> drivers/soc/tegra/pmc.c driver's tegra_powergate_sequence_power_up()
> function. Essentially we need to call into the clock and reset drivers
> at very specific moments during the operations that the PMC does.
>
> One solution to this would be to make the needed clocks and resets
> available to the power domain driver via DT, but then we have the
> problem that two drivers would be controlling the same resources. For
> example drivers could still want to disable the clock for more fine-
> grained power management. 

I think you're on the right path here.  You can get rid of this conflict
by removing the direct/manual clock management from the drivers, and
using runtime PM instead: s/clk_enable/pm_runtime_get_sync/,
s/clk_disable/pm_runtime_put_sync/.  When using runtime PM, those calls
trickle down through the power domain driver, which can manage the
device clocks, as well as any additional clocks and resets needed for
power gating.

> Furthermore for some devices it may turn out that turning the domain
> off and on introduces too much latency to be useful.

In these cases, you should use the per-device PM QoS framework to set
per-device latencies.  Then your power-domain can look up these
latencies and decide whether or not to actually power gate or not.

Kevin

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-09-25 22:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-19 18:27 [PATCH v5 00/11] PM / Domains: Generic OF-based support Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27 ` Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27 ` [PATCH v5 01/11] PM / Domains: Add a detach callback to the struct dev_pm_domain Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27   ` Ulf Hansson
2014-09-22 11:15   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-09-22 11:15     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-09-19 18:27 ` [PATCH v5 02/11] ACPI / PM: Assign the ->detach() callback when attaching the PM domain Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27   ` Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27 ` [PATCH v5 03/11] PM / Domains: Add generic OF-based PM domain look-up Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27   ` Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27 ` [PATCH v5 04/11] PM / Domains: Add APIs to attach/detach a PM domain for a device Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27   ` Ulf Hansson
2014-09-22 11:12   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-09-22 11:12     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-09-19 18:27 ` [PATCH v5 05/11] drivercore / platform: Convert to dev_pm_domain_attach|detach() Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27   ` Ulf Hansson
     [not found] ` <1411151264-16245-1-git-send-email-ulf.hansson-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-19 18:27   ` [PATCH v5 06/11] i2c: core: " Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27     ` Ulf Hansson
     [not found]     ` <1411151264-16245-7-git-send-email-ulf.hansson-QSEj5FYQhm4dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2014-09-20 12:23       ` Wolfram Sang
2014-09-20 12:23         ` Wolfram Sang
2014-09-20 23:48         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-20 23:48           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-22  9:52         ` Mika Westerberg
2014-09-22  9:52           ` Mika Westerberg
2014-09-22 10:00           ` Wolfram Sang
2014-09-22 10:00             ` Wolfram Sang
2014-09-19 18:27   ` [PATCH v5 07/11] mmc: sdio: " Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27     ` Ulf Hansson
2014-10-02  0:27     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-10-02  0:27       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-10-13  2:48       ` Aaron Lu
2014-10-13  2:48         ` Aaron Lu
2014-10-13 11:44         ` Ulf Hansson
2014-10-13 11:44           ` Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27   ` [PATCH v5 10/11] ARM: exynos: Move to generic PM domain DT bindings Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27     ` Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27 ` [PATCH v5 08/11] spi: core: Convert to dev_pm_domain_attach|detach() Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27   ` Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27 ` [PATCH v5 09/11] amba: Add support for attach/detach of PM domains Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27   ` Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27 ` [PATCH v5 11/11] ACPI / PM: Convert acpi_dev_pm_detach() into a static function Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:27   ` Ulf Hansson
2014-09-19 18:48 ` [PATCH v5 00/11] PM / Domains: Generic OF-based support Dmitry Torokhov
2014-09-19 18:48   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2014-09-22 14:19   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-22 14:19     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-22 19:04     ` Ulf Hansson
2014-09-22 19:04       ` Ulf Hansson
2014-09-23  1:42     ` Mark Brown
2014-09-23  1:42       ` Mark Brown
2014-09-24 12:44     ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-09-24 12:44       ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-09-24 13:51       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-24 13:51         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2014-09-24 13:59         ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-09-24 13:59           ` Grygorii Strashko
2014-09-25 11:21 ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-25 11:21   ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-25 15:29   ` Ulf Hansson
2014-09-25 15:29     ` Ulf Hansson
2014-09-25 16:56     ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-25 16:56       ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-26  0:27       ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-26  0:27         ` Stephen Boyd
2014-09-26  5:08         ` Kevin Hilman
2014-09-26  5:08           ` Kevin Hilman
2014-09-26  7:44         ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-26  7:44           ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-25 22:45   ` Kevin Hilman [this message]
2014-09-25 22:45     ` Kevin Hilman
2014-09-26  7:31     ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-26  7:31       ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-26  8:06       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-09-26  8:06         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-09-26  9:56         ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-26  9:56           ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-26 10:01           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-09-26 10:01             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-09-26 10:04             ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-26 10:04               ` Thierry Reding
2014-09-26 14:50       ` Kevin Hilman
2014-09-26 14:50         ` Kevin Hilman

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