From: Kevin Hilman <khilman@kernel.org>
To: "Celeste Liu" <coelacanthushex@gmail.com>,
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Celeste Liu <CoelacanthusHex@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] arm: defconfig: drop RT_GROUP_SCHED=y from bcm2855/tegra/omap2plus
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2024 16:49:01 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7hv81f78cy.fsf@baylibre.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240530111947.549474-14-CoelacanthusHex@gmail.com>
Celeste Liu <coelacanthushex@gmail.com> writes:
> Commit 673ce00c5d6c ("ARM: omap2plus_defconfig: Add support for distros
> with systemd") said it's because of recommendation from systemd. But
> systemd changed their recommendation later.[1]
>
> For cgroup v1, if turned on, and there's any cgroup in the "cpu" hierarchy it
> needs an RT budget assigned, otherwise the processes in it will not be able to
> get RT at all. The problem with RT group scheduling is that it requires the
> budget assigned but there's no way we could assign a default budget, since the
> values to assign are both upper and lower time limits, are absolute, and need to
> be sum up to < 1 for each individal cgroup. That means we cannot really come up
> with values that would work by default in the general case.[2]
>
> For cgroup v2, it's almost unusable as well. If it turned on, the cpu controller
> can only be enabled when all RT processes are in the root cgroup. But it will
> lose the benefits of cgroup v2 if all RT process were placed in the same cgroup.
>
> Red Hat, Gentoo, Arch Linux and Debian all disable it. systemd also doesn't
> support it.
>
> [1]: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/f4e74be1856b3ac058acbf1be321c31d5299f69f
> [2]: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1229700
>
> Signed-off-by: Celeste Liu <CoelacanthusHex@gmail.com>
> ---
> arch/arm/configs/bcm2835_defconfig | 1 -
> arch/arm/configs/omap2plus_defconfig | 1 -
> arch/arm/configs/tegra_defconfig | 1 -
For omap2plus_defconfig:
Acked-by: Kevin Hilman <khilman@baylibre.com>
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Kevin Hilman <khilman@kernel.org>
To: "Celeste Liu" <coelacanthushex@gmail.com>,
"Heinrich Schuchardt" <heinrich.schuchardt@canonical.com>,
"Anup Patel" <anup@brainfault.org>, "Guo Ren" <guoren@kernel.org>,
"Palmer Dabbelt" <palmer@rivosinc.com>,
"Paul Walmsley" <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
"Huacai Chen" <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
"WANG Xuerui" <kernel@xen0n.name>,
"Thomas Bogendoerfer" <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de>,
"Vladimir Kondratiev" <vladimir.kondratiev@mobileye.com>,
"Gregory CLEMENT" <gregory.clement@bootlin.com>,
"Théo Lebrun" <theo.lebrun@bootlin.com>,
"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
"Nicholas Piggin" <npiggin@gmail.com>,
"Christophe Leroy" <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
"Naveen N . Rao" <naveen.n.rao@linux.ibm.com>,
"Sven Joachim" <svenjoac@gmx.de>,
"Yoshinori Sato" <ysato@users.sourceforge.jp>,
"Rich Felker" <dalias@libc.org>,
"John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>,
"Russell King" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
"Florian Fainelli" <florian.fainelli@broadcom.com>,
"Ray Jui" <rjui@broadcom.com>,
"Scott Branden" <sbranden@broadcom.com>,
"Broadcom internal kernel review list"
<bcm-kernel-feedback-list@broadcom.com>,
"Tony Lindgren" <tony@atomide.com>,
"Thierry Reding" <thierry.reding@gmail.com>,
"Jonathan Hunter" <jonathanh@nvidia.com>,
"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
"Mykola Lysenko" <mykolal@fb.com>,
linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
linux-rpi-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-omap@vger.kernel.org,
linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, loongarch@lists.linux.dev,
linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
linux-sh@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Celeste Liu <CoelacanthusHex@gmail.com>,
Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
bpf@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] arm: defconfig: drop RT_GROUP_SCHED=y from bcm2855/tegra/omap2plus
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2024 16:49:01 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7hv81f78cy.fsf@baylibre.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240530111947.549474-14-CoelacanthusHex@gmail.com>
Celeste Liu <coelacanthushex@gmail.com> writes:
> Commit 673ce00c5d6c ("ARM: omap2plus_defconfig: Add support for distros
> with systemd") said it's because of recommendation from systemd. But
> systemd changed their recommendation later.[1]
>
> For cgroup v1, if turned on, and there's any cgroup in the "cpu" hierarchy it
> needs an RT budget assigned, otherwise the processes in it will not be able to
> get RT at all. The problem with RT group scheduling is that it requires the
> budget assigned but there's no way we could assign a default budget, since the
> values to assign are both upper and lower time limits, are absolute, and need to
> be sum up to < 1 for each individal cgroup. That means we cannot really come up
> with values that would work by default in the general case.[2]
>
> For cgroup v2, it's almost unusable as well. If it turned on, the cpu controller
> can only be enabled when all RT processes are in the root cgroup. But it will
> lose the benefits of cgroup v2 if all RT process were placed in the same cgroup.
>
> Red Hat, Gentoo, Arch Linux and Debian all disable it. systemd also doesn't
> support it.
>
> [1]: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/f4e74be1856b3ac058acbf1be321c31d5299f69f
> [2]: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1229700
>
> Signed-off-by: Celeste Liu <CoelacanthusHex@gmail.com>
> ---
> arch/arm/configs/bcm2835_defconfig | 1 -
> arch/arm/configs/omap2plus_defconfig | 1 -
> arch/arm/configs/tegra_defconfig | 1 -
For omap2plus_defconfig:
Acked-by: Kevin Hilman <khilman@baylibre.com>
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From: Kevin Hilman <khilman@kernel.org>
To: "Celeste Liu" <coelacanthushex@gmail.com>,
"Heinrich Schuchardt" <heinrich.schuchardt@canonical.com>,
"Anup Patel" <anup@brainfault.org>, "Guo Ren" <guoren@kernel.org>,
"Palmer Dabbelt" <palmer@rivosinc.com>,
"Paul Walmsley" <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
"Huacai Chen" <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
"WANG Xuerui" <kernel@xen0n.name>,
"Thomas Bogendoerfer" <tsbogend@alpha.franken.de>,
"Vladimir Kondratiev" <vladimir.kondratiev@mobileye.com>,
"Gregory CLEMENT" <gregory.clement@bootlin.com>,
"Théo Lebrun" <theo.lebrun@bootlin.com>,
"Michael Ellerman" <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
"Nicholas Piggin" <npiggin@gmail.com>,
"Christophe Leroy" <christophe.leroy@csgroup.eu>,
"Naveen N . Rao" <naveen.n.rao@linux.ibm.com>,
"Sven Joachim" <svenjoac@gmx.de>,
"Yoshinori Sato" <ysato@users.sourceforge.jp>,
"Rich Felker" <dalias@libc.org>,
"John Paul Adrian Glaubitz" <glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de>,
"Russell King" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
"Florian Fainelli" <florian.fainelli@broadcom.com>,
"Ray Jui" <rjui@broadcom.com>,
"Scott Branden" <sbranden@broadcom.com>,
"Broadcom internal kernel review list"
<bcm-kernel-feedback-list@broadcom.com>,
"Tony Lindgren" <tony@atomide.com>,
"Thierry Reding" <thierry.reding@gmail.com>,
"Jonathan Hunter" <jonathanh@nvidia.com>,
"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
"Mykola Lysenko" <mykolal@fb.com>,
linux-riscv@lists.infradead.org,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
linux-rpi-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-omap@vger.kernel.org,
linux-tegra@vger.kernel.org, loongarch@lists.linux.dev,
linux-mips@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
linux-sh@vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Celeste Liu <CoelacanthusHex@gmail.com>,
Lennart Poettering <lennart@poettering.net>,
bpf@vger.kernel.org, Icenowy Zheng <uwu@icenowy.me>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 6/6] arm: defconfig: drop RT_GROUP_SCHED=y from bcm2855/tegra/omap2plus
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2024 16:49:01 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7hv81f78cy.fsf@baylibre.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240530111947.549474-14-CoelacanthusHex@gmail.com>
Celeste Liu <coelacanthushex@gmail.com> writes:
> Commit 673ce00c5d6c ("ARM: omap2plus_defconfig: Add support for distros
> with systemd") said it's because of recommendation from systemd. But
> systemd changed their recommendation later.[1]
>
> For cgroup v1, if turned on, and there's any cgroup in the "cpu" hierarchy it
> needs an RT budget assigned, otherwise the processes in it will not be able to
> get RT at all. The problem with RT group scheduling is that it requires the
> budget assigned but there's no way we could assign a default budget, since the
> values to assign are both upper and lower time limits, are absolute, and need to
> be sum up to < 1 for each individal cgroup. That means we cannot really come up
> with values that would work by default in the general case.[2]
>
> For cgroup v2, it's almost unusable as well. If it turned on, the cpu controller
> can only be enabled when all RT processes are in the root cgroup. But it will
> lose the benefits of cgroup v2 if all RT process were placed in the same cgroup.
>
> Red Hat, Gentoo, Arch Linux and Debian all disable it. systemd also doesn't
> support it.
>
> [1]: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/f4e74be1856b3ac058acbf1be321c31d5299f69f
> [2]: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1229700
>
> Signed-off-by: Celeste Liu <CoelacanthusHex@gmail.com>
> ---
> arch/arm/configs/bcm2835_defconfig | 1 -
> arch/arm/configs/omap2plus_defconfig | 1 -
> arch/arm/configs/tegra_defconfig | 1 -
For omap2plus_defconfig:
Acked-by: Kevin Hilman <khilman@baylibre.com>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-07-08 23:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-05-30 11:19 [PATCH 0/6] defconfig: drop RT_GROUP_SCHED=y Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` [PATCH 1/6] riscv: " Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` [PATCH 2/6] loongarch: " Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:27 ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-05-30 11:27 ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-05-30 11:27 ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-05-30 11:27 ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-05-30 11:19 ` [PATCH 3/6] mips: defconfig: drop RT_GROUP_SCHED=y from generic/db1xxx/eyeq5 Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-06-11 8:41 ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2024-06-11 8:41 ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2024-06-11 8:41 ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2024-06-11 8:41 ` Thomas Bogendoerfer
2024-05-30 11:19 ` [PATCH 4/6] powerpc: defconfig: drop RT_GROUP_SCHED=y from ppc6xx_defconfig Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` [PATCH 5/6] sh: defconfig: drop RT_GROUP_SCHED=y from sdk7786/urquell Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` [PATCH 6/6] arm: defconfig: drop RT_GROUP_SCHED=y from bcm2855/tegra/omap2plus Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-05-30 11:19 ` Celeste Liu
2024-07-08 23:49 ` Kevin Hilman [this message]
2024-07-08 23:49 ` Kevin Hilman
2024-07-08 23:49 ` Kevin Hilman
2024-07-09 12:26 ` Stefan Wahren
2024-07-09 12:26 ` Stefan Wahren
2024-07-09 12:26 ` Stefan Wahren
2024-07-09 12:45 ` Celeste Liu
2024-07-09 12:45 ` Celeste Liu
2024-07-09 12:45 ` Celeste Liu
2024-06-20 12:49 ` (subset) [PATCH 0/6] defconfig: drop RT_GROUP_SCHED=y Michael Ellerman
2024-06-20 12:49 ` Michael Ellerman
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