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From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>, john.hubbard@gmail.com
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Christopher Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-rdma <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm: set PG_dma_pinned on get_user_pages*()
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 15:19:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <817a7466-2abb-bc95-e7de-269420841c9b@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4i=eky-QrPcLUEqjsASuRUrFEWqf79hWe0mU8xtz6Jk-w@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/17/2018 12:53 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
> [..]
>> diff --git a/mm/rmap.c b/mm/rmap.c
>> index 6db729dc4c50..37576f0a4645 100644
>> --- a/mm/rmap.c
>> +++ b/mm/rmap.c
>> @@ -1360,6 +1360,8 @@ static bool try_to_unmap_one(struct page *page, struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>                                 flags & TTU_SPLIT_FREEZE, page);
>>         }
>>
>> +       if (PageDmaPinned(page))
>> +               return false;
>>         /*
>>          * We have to assume the worse case ie pmd for invalidation. Note that
>>          * the page can not be free in this function as call of try_to_unmap()
> 
> We have a similiar problem with DAX and the conclusion we came to is
> that it is not acceptable for userspace to arbitrarily block kernel
> actions. The conclusion there was: 'wait' if the DMA is transient, and
> 'revoke' if the DMA is long lived, or otherwise 'block' long-lived DMA
> if a revocation mechanism is not available.
> 

Dan, thanks...can you please say a few words (or point to the code) about the "revoke" part of
this design? And whether you think it could be applied here (instead of the unconditional
appproach I have above)?

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>, <john.hubbard@gmail.com>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Christopher Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-rdma <linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm: set PG_dma_pinned on get_user_pages*()
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2018 15:19:51 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <817a7466-2abb-bc95-e7de-269420841c9b@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4i=eky-QrPcLUEqjsASuRUrFEWqf79hWe0mU8xtz6Jk-w@mail.gmail.com>

On 06/17/2018 12:53 PM, Dan Williams wrote:
> [..]
>> diff --git a/mm/rmap.c b/mm/rmap.c
>> index 6db729dc4c50..37576f0a4645 100644
>> --- a/mm/rmap.c
>> +++ b/mm/rmap.c
>> @@ -1360,6 +1360,8 @@ static bool try_to_unmap_one(struct page *page, struct vm_area_struct *vma,
>>                                 flags & TTU_SPLIT_FREEZE, page);
>>         }
>>
>> +       if (PageDmaPinned(page))
>> +               return false;
>>         /*
>>          * We have to assume the worse case ie pmd for invalidation. Note that
>>          * the page can not be free in this function as call of try_to_unmap()
> 
> We have a similiar problem with DAX and the conclusion we came to is
> that it is not acceptable for userspace to arbitrarily block kernel
> actions. The conclusion there was: 'wait' if the DMA is transient, and
> 'revoke' if the DMA is long lived, or otherwise 'block' long-lived DMA
> if a revocation mechanism is not available.
> 

Dan, thanks...can you please say a few words (or point to the code) about the "revoke" part of
this design? And whether you think it could be applied here (instead of the unconditional
appproach I have above)?


  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-06-17 22:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-17  1:25 [PATCH 0/2] mm: gup: don't unmap or drop filesystem buffers john.hubbard
2018-06-17  1:25 ` [PATCH 1/2] consolidate get_user_pages error handling john.hubbard
2018-06-17  1:25 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: set PG_dma_pinned on get_user_pages*() john.hubbard
2018-06-17 19:53   ` Dan Williams
2018-06-17 20:04     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-06-17 20:10       ` Dan Williams
2018-06-17 20:28         ` John Hubbard
2018-06-17 20:28           ` John Hubbard
2018-06-18  8:12           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-18 17:50             ` John Hubbard
2018-06-18 17:50               ` John Hubbard
2018-06-18 17:56               ` Dan Williams
2018-06-18 18:14                 ` John Hubbard
2018-06-18 18:14                   ` John Hubbard
2018-06-18 19:21                   ` Dan Williams
2018-06-18 19:31                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-06-18 20:04                       ` Dan Williams
2018-06-18 21:36                     ` John Hubbard
2018-06-19  8:29                       ` Jan Kara
2018-06-19  9:02                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-06-19 10:41                           ` Jan Kara
2018-06-19 18:11                             ` John Hubbard
2018-06-20  1:24                               ` Dan Williams
2018-06-20  1:34                                 ` John Hubbard
2018-06-20  1:57                                   ` Dan Williams
2018-06-20  2:03                                     ` John Hubbard
2018-06-20 12:08                               ` Jan Kara
2018-06-20 22:55                                 ` John Hubbard
2018-06-21 16:30                                   ` Jan Kara
2018-06-25 15:21                                     ` Jan Kara
2018-06-25 19:03                                       ` John Hubbard
2018-06-26  7:52                                         ` Jan Kara
2018-06-26  6:31                                       ` John Hubbard
2018-06-26 11:48                                         ` Jan Kara
2018-06-26 13:47                     ` Michal Hocko
2018-06-26 16:48                       ` Jan Kara
2018-06-27 11:32                         ` Michal Hocko
2018-06-27 11:53                           ` Jan Kara
2018-06-27 11:59                             ` Michal Hocko
2018-06-27 12:42                               ` Jan Kara
2018-06-27 14:57                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2018-06-27 17:02                                   ` Jan Kara
2018-06-28  2:42                                     ` John Hubbard
2018-06-28  9:17                                       ` Jan Kara
2018-07-02  5:52                                         ` Leon Romanovsky
2018-07-02  6:10                                           ` John Hubbard
2018-07-02  6:34                                             ` Leon Romanovsky
2018-07-02  6:41                                               ` John Hubbard
2018-07-02 10:36                                                 ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-02  7:02                                             ` Jan Kara
2018-07-02 14:48                                               ` Michal Hocko
2018-07-02  6:58                                           ` Jan Kara
2018-06-18  8:11         ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-19  6:15           ` Leon Romanovsky
2018-06-17 22:19     ` John Hubbard [this message]
2018-06-17 22:19       ` John Hubbard
2018-06-18  7:56   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-06-18 17:44     ` John Hubbard
2018-06-18 17:44       ` John Hubbard
2018-06-17 21:54 ` [PATCH 0/2] mm: gup: don't unmap or drop filesystem buffers Christopher Lameter
2018-06-17 22:23   ` John Hubbard
2018-06-17 22:23     ` John Hubbard
2018-06-18  8:10   ` Christoph Hellwig

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