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From: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>, casey@schaufler-ca.com
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Karl MacMillan <kmacmill@redhat.com>,
	viro@ftp.linux.org.uk, hch@infradead.org,
	Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	selinux@tycho.nsa.gov, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/28] SECURITY: Allow kernel services to override LSM settings for task actions [try #2]
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:40:54 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <81940.57362.qm@web36611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1197402998.28006.95.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil>


--- Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov> wrote:

> 
> > I am much more concerned with the interfaces used to pass the
> > information into the kernel. I would expect that to be LSM
> > independent, not a call into libselinux that resolves into a
> > selinuxfs operation, or it's netlink equivilant. It would be
> > unfortunate if the userland/kernel interface became an obstacle
> > to cachefiles being adopted.
> 
> That wasn't the issue.  The interface to the cachefiles module would
> just consist of cachefilesd writing a string label to some pseudo file
> tell cachefiles what label to apply as the acting label for operations
> performed by cachefiles.  Which isn't SELinux-specific at all.

Calm down. Just checking.

> David was asking though how cachefilesd (the userspace agent) would
> obtain such a label to use.  And that may very well be LSM-specific, and
> as there is no LSM userspace API, it makes sense for him to invoke a
> libselinux function at present.  If a liblsm is later created and
> provides a common front-end API (internally dlopen'ing the right shared
> library based on some configuration, whether libselinux or libsmack or
> whatever), then cachefilesd can instead call the liblsm interface, but
> that doesn't exist today.

I am certainly not in favor of adding such complexity.
I suggest that cachefilesd get the context it wants using
whatever scheme works. I think there should be a cachefiles
specific (LSM independent) scheme for getting it into the
kernel, and a LSM hooks for setting it, if that's what he
really wants to do.



Casey Schaufler
casey@schaufler-ca.com

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From: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>
To: Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>, casey@schaufler-ca.com
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Karl MacMillan <kmacmill@redhat.com>,
	viro@ftp.linux.org.uk, hch@infradead.org,
	Trond.Myklebust@netapp.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	selinux@tycho.nsa.gov, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 08/28] SECURITY: Allow kernel services to override LSM settings for task actions [try #2]
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:40:54 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <81940.57362.qm@web36611.mail.mud.yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1197402998.28006.95.camel@moss-spartans.epoch.ncsc.mil>


--- Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov> wrote:

> 
> > I am much more concerned with the interfaces used to pass the
> > information into the kernel. I would expect that to be LSM
> > independent, not a call into libselinux that resolves into a
> > selinuxfs operation, or it's netlink equivilant. It would be
> > unfortunate if the userland/kernel interface became an obstacle
> > to cachefiles being adopted.
> 
> That wasn't the issue.  The interface to the cachefiles module would
> just consist of cachefilesd writing a string label to some pseudo file
> tell cachefiles what label to apply as the acting label for operations
> performed by cachefiles.  Which isn't SELinux-specific at all.

Calm down. Just checking.

> David was asking though how cachefilesd (the userspace agent) would
> obtain such a label to use.  And that may very well be LSM-specific, and
> as there is no LSM userspace API, it makes sense for him to invoke a
> libselinux function at present.  If a liblsm is later created and
> provides a common front-end API (internally dlopen'ing the right shared
> library based on some configuration, whether libselinux or libsmack or
> whatever), then cachefilesd can instead call the liblsm interface, but
> that doesn't exist today.

I am certainly not in favor of adding such complexity.
I suggest that cachefilesd get the context it wants using
whatever scheme works. I think there should be a cachefiles
specific (LSM independent) scheme for getting it into the
kernel, and a LSM hooks for setting it, if that's what he
really wants to do.



Casey Schaufler
casey@schaufler-ca.com

  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-11 20:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 235+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-05 19:38 [PATCH 00/28] Permit filesystem local caching [try #2] David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 01/28] KEYS: Increase the payload size when instantiating a key " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 02/28] KEYS: Check starting keyring as part of search " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 03/28] KEYS: Allow the callout data to be passed as a blob rather than a string " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 04/28] KEYS: Add keyctl function to get a security label " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 05/28] Security: Change current->fs[ug]id to current_fs[ug]id() " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 06/28] SECURITY: Separate task security context from task_struct " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 07/28] SECURITY: De-embed task security record from task and use refcounting " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38 ` [PATCH 08/28] SECURITY: Allow kernel services to override LSM settings for task actions " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:38   ` David Howells
2007-12-10 16:46   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-10 16:46     ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-10 17:07     ` David Howells
2007-12-10 17:07       ` David Howells
2007-12-10 17:23       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-10 17:23         ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-10 21:08         ` David Howells
2007-12-10 21:08           ` David Howells
2007-12-10 21:27           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-10 21:27             ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-10 22:26             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-10 22:26               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-10 23:44               ` David Howells
2007-12-10 23:44                 ` David Howells
2007-12-10 23:56                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-10 23:56                   ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 18:34               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 18:34                 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 19:26                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 19:26                   ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 19:56                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 19:56                     ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 20:40                     ` Casey Schaufler [this message]
2007-12-11 20:40                       ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-10 23:36             ` David Howells
2007-12-10 23:36               ` David Howells
2007-12-10 23:46               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-10 23:46                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 19:52                 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 19:52                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 19:37               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 19:37                 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 20:42                 ` David Howells
2007-12-11 20:42                   ` David Howells
2007-12-11 21:18                   ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 21:18                     ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 21:34                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 21:34                     ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-11 22:43                     ` David Howells
2007-12-11 22:43                       ` David Howells
2007-12-11 23:04                       ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-11 23:04                         ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 15:25                         ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 15:25                           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 16:51                           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 16:51                             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 18:12                             ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 18:12                               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 18:34                             ` David Howells
2007-12-12 18:34                               ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:44                               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 19:44                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 19:49                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 19:49                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 20:09                                   ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 20:09                                     ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 22:29                                     ` David Howells
2007-12-12 22:29                                       ` David Howells
2007-12-12 22:32                                 ` David Howells
2007-12-12 22:32                                   ` David Howells
2007-12-12 18:29                           ` David Howells
2007-12-12 18:29                             ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:33                             ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 19:33                               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 22:49                               ` David Howells
2007-12-12 22:49                                 ` David Howells
2007-12-13 14:49                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 14:49                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 15:36                                   ` David Howells
2007-12-13 15:36                                     ` David Howells
2007-12-13 16:23                                     ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 16:23                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 17:01                                       ` David Howells
2007-12-13 17:01                                         ` David Howells
2007-12-13 17:27                                         ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 17:27                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 18:04                                           ` David Howells
2007-12-13 18:04                                             ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:37                             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 19:37                               ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 22:52                               ` David Howells
2007-12-12 22:52                                 ` David Howells
2007-12-12 18:25                         ` David Howells
2007-12-12 18:25                           ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:20                           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 19:20                             ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-12 19:29                             ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:29                               ` David Howells
2007-12-12 19:35                             ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 19:35                               ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-12 22:55                               ` David Howells
2007-12-12 22:55                                 ` David Howells
2007-12-13 14:51                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 14:51                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-13 16:03                                   ` David Howells
2007-12-13 16:03                                     ` David Howells
2007-12-19  3:28                     ` Crispin Cowan
2007-12-19  5:39                       ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-19  5:39                         ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-19 14:54                       ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-19 14:54                         ` Stephen Smalley
2007-12-19  3:28                   ` Crispin Cowan
2007-12-19 23:38                     ` David Howells
2007-12-19 23:38                       ` David Howells
2007-12-12 14:41                 ` Karl MacMillan
2007-12-12 14:41                   ` Karl MacMillan
2007-12-12 14:53                   ` David Howells
2007-12-12 14:53                     ` David Howells
2007-12-12 14:59                     ` Karl MacMillan
2007-12-12 14:59                       ` Karl MacMillan
2008-01-09 16:51         ` David Howells
2008-01-09 16:51           ` David Howells
2008-01-09 17:27           ` David Howells
2008-01-09 17:27             ` David Howells
2008-01-09 18:11           ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-09 18:11             ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-09 18:56             ` David Howells
2008-01-09 18:56               ` David Howells
2008-01-09 19:19               ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-09 19:19                 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-10 11:09                 ` David Howells
2008-01-10 11:09                   ` David Howells
2008-01-14 14:01             ` David Howells
2008-01-14 14:01               ` David Howells
2008-01-14 14:06               ` David Howells
2008-01-14 14:06                 ` David Howells
2008-01-15 14:58                 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-15 14:58                   ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-23 20:52                   ` David Howells
2008-01-23 20:52                     ` David Howells
2008-01-23 22:03                     ` James Morris
2008-01-23 22:03                       ` James Morris
2008-01-14 14:52               ` Casey Schaufler
2008-01-14 14:52                 ` Casey Schaufler
2008-01-14 15:19                 ` David Howells
2008-01-14 15:19                   ` David Howells
2008-01-15 14:56               ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-15 14:56                 ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-15 16:03                 ` David Howells
2008-01-15 16:03                   ` David Howells
2008-01-15 16:08                   ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-15 16:08                     ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-15 18:10                   ` Casey Schaufler
2008-01-15 18:10                     ` Casey Schaufler
2008-01-15 19:15                     ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-15 19:15                       ` Stephen Smalley
2008-01-15 21:55                       ` David Howells
2008-01-15 21:55                         ` David Howells
2008-01-15 22:23                         ` Casey Schaufler
2008-01-15 22:23                           ` Casey Schaufler
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 09/28] FS-Cache: Release page->private after failed readahead " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39   ` David Howells
2007-12-14  3:51   ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-17 22:42     ` David Howells
2007-12-17 22:42       ` David Howells
2007-12-18  7:03       ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 10/28] FS-Cache: Recruit a couple of page flags for cache management " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39   ` David Howells
2007-12-14  4:08   ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-17 22:36     ` David Howells
2007-12-17 22:36       ` David Howells
2007-12-18  7:00       ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-20 18:33         ` David Howells
2007-12-20 18:33           ` David Howells
2007-12-21  1:08           ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-02 16:27             ` David Howells
2008-01-02 16:27               ` David Howells
2008-01-07 11:33               ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-07 13:09                 ` David Howells
2008-01-07 13:09                   ` David Howells
2008-01-08  3:01                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-08 23:51                     ` David Howells
2008-01-08 23:51                       ` David Howells
2008-01-09  1:52                       ` Nick Piggin
2008-01-09 15:45                         ` David Howells
2008-01-09 15:45                           ` David Howells
2008-01-09 23:52                           ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 11/28] FS-Cache: Provide an add_wait_queue_tail() function " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 12/28] FS-Cache: Generic filesystem caching facility " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 13/28] CacheFiles: Add missing copy_page export for ia64 " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 14/28] CacheFiles: Be consistent about the use of mapping vs file->f_mapping in Ext3 " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 15/28] CacheFiles: Add a hook to write a single page of data to an inode " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 16/28] CacheFiles: Permit the page lock state to be monitored " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 17/28] CacheFiles: Export things for CacheFiles " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 18/28] CacheFiles: A cache that backs onto a mounted filesystem " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39 ` [PATCH 19/28] NFS: Use local caching " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:39   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 20/28] NFS: Configuration and mount option changes to enable local caching on NFS " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 21/28] NFS: Display local caching state " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 22/28] fcrypt endianness misannotations " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 23/28] AFS: Add TestSetPageError() " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 24/28] AFS: Add a function to excise a rejected write from the pagecache " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40   ` David Howells
2007-12-14  4:21   ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-17 22:54     ` David Howells
2007-12-17 22:54       ` David Howells
2007-12-18  7:07       ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-20 18:49         ` David Howells
2007-12-20 18:49           ` David Howells
2007-12-21  1:11           ` Nick Piggin
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 25/28] AFS: Improve handling of a rejected writeback " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 26/28] AF_RXRPC: Save the operation ID for debugging " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 27/28] AFS: Implement shared-writable mmap " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40   ` David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40 ` [PATCH 28/28] FS-Cache: Make kAFS use FS-Cache " David Howells
2007-12-05 19:40   ` David Howells

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