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From: Philipp Reisner <philipp.reisner@linbit.com>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, drbd-dev@lists.linbit.com
Subject: [Drbd-dev] FLUSH/FUA documentation & code discrepancy
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 14:32:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8439412.RChiDciQdh@fat-tyre> (raw)

Hi,

I think commit 1e87901e18 was wrong. Starting with that commit the REQ_FLUSH 
and REQ_FUA bits get stripped away if the queue does not advertise REQ_FLUSH
or REQ_FUA support.

But the REQ_FLUSH bit is also tested for when not merging requests
(blk_queue_bio()) or when it comes to the elevator (blk_flush_plug_list()).

So, since this patch the elevator reorders write requests on queues that 
do not have REQ_FLUSH or REQ_FUA set.

While on queues that have REQ_FLUSH or REQ_FUA set, the elevator does
not reorder writes across FLUSHes.

The Documentation/block/writeback_cache_control.txt file says:
--snip--
Implementation details for filesystems
--------------------------------------

Filesystems can simply set the REQ_FLUSH and REQ_FUA bits and do not have to
worry if the underlying devices need any explicit cache flushing and how
the Forced Unit Access is implemented.  The REQ_FLUSH and REQ_FUA flags
may both be set on a single bio.
--snap--

I have the impression every file system lets IO drain, and issues a
flush afterwards with the blkdev_issue_flush() function. BTW that
function turns into a non-obvious no-op as soon as the queue does not
have the REQ_FUA or REQ_FLUSH bits set. It does not look like it is
a no-op by intention.

The file systems seem to be all fine, only in DRBD we have a mode were
we depend on REQ_FUA/REQ_FLUSH requests being real boundaries for reordering
of writes. This is broken since the mentioned commit as we recently found out.

I suggest that either this commit gets reverted, or the documentation
is updated. I am ready to prepare such a patch, but I need directions
how it should be fixed.

Best regards,
 Phil

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From: Philipp Reisner <philipp.reisner@linbit.com>
To: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, drbd-dev@lists.linbit.com
Subject: FLUSH/FUA documentation & code discrepancy
Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2012 14:32:01 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8439412.RChiDciQdh@fat-tyre> (raw)

Hi,

I think commit 1e87901e18 was wrong. Starting with that commit the REQ_FLUSH 
and REQ_FUA bits get stripped away if the queue does not advertise REQ_FLUSH
or REQ_FUA support.

But the REQ_FLUSH bit is also tested for when not merging requests
(blk_queue_bio()) or when it comes to the elevator (blk_flush_plug_list()).

So, since this patch the elevator reorders write requests on queues that 
do not have REQ_FLUSH or REQ_FUA set.

While on queues that have REQ_FLUSH or REQ_FUA set, the elevator does
not reorder writes across FLUSHes.

The Documentation/block/writeback_cache_control.txt file says:
--snip--
Implementation details for filesystems
--------------------------------------

Filesystems can simply set the REQ_FLUSH and REQ_FUA bits and do not have to
worry if the underlying devices need any explicit cache flushing and how
the Forced Unit Access is implemented.  The REQ_FLUSH and REQ_FUA flags
may both be set on a single bio.
--snap--

I have the impression every file system lets IO drain, and issues a
flush afterwards with the blkdev_issue_flush() function. BTW that
function turns into a non-obvious no-op as soon as the queue does not
have the REQ_FUA or REQ_FLUSH bits set. It does not look like it is
a no-op by intention.

The file systems seem to be all fine, only in DRBD we have a mode were
we depend on REQ_FUA/REQ_FLUSH requests being real boundaries for reordering
of writes. This is broken since the mentioned commit as we recently found out.

I suggest that either this commit gets reverted, or the documentation
is updated. I am ready to prepare such a patch, but I need directions
how it should be fixed.

Best regards,
 Phil

             reply	other threads:[~2012-09-04 12:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-04 12:32 Philipp Reisner [this message]
2012-09-04 12:32 ` FLUSH/FUA documentation & code discrepancy Philipp Reisner
2012-09-04 22:46 ` [Drbd-dev] " Tejun Heo
2012-09-04 22:46   ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-05  8:44   ` [Drbd-dev] " Philipp Reisner
2012-09-05  8:44     ` Philipp Reisner
2012-09-05  8:49     ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-05  8:49       ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-05 10:07       ` Lars Ellenberg
2012-09-05 10:07         ` Lars Ellenberg
2012-09-06 21:29         ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-07  8:42           ` Lars Ellenberg
2012-09-07  8:42             ` Lars Ellenberg
2012-09-10 22:54             ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-10 22:54               ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-10 23:06               ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-10 23:06                 ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-10 23:12                 ` Kent Overstreet
2012-09-10 23:12                   ` Kent Overstreet
2012-09-10 23:31                 ` Kent Overstreet
2012-09-10 23:31                   ` Kent Overstreet
2012-09-11  5:58                   ` NeilBrown
2012-09-11  5:58                     ` NeilBrown
2012-09-11  8:25                     ` Lars Ellenberg
2012-09-11  8:25                       ` Lars Ellenberg
2012-09-11 14:41                       ` Vivek Goyal
2012-09-11 14:41                         ` Vivek Goyal
2012-09-12 18:58                       ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-12 23:12                         ` Joseph Glanville
2012-09-12 23:12                           ` Joseph Glanville
2012-09-12 23:20                           ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-12 23:20                             ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-12 23:53                             ` Joseph Glanville
2012-09-12 23:53                               ` Joseph Glanville
2012-09-13  0:17                               ` Joseph Glanville
2012-09-13  0:17                                 ` Joseph Glanville
2012-09-13  3:10                                 ` Joseph Glanville
2012-09-13  3:10                                   ` Joseph Glanville
2012-09-13 19:25                                   ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-13 19:25                                     ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-11 14:34                 ` Vivek Goyal
2012-09-11 14:34                   ` Vivek Goyal

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