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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 04/12] KVM: arm64: Add ARM64_HAS_LPA2 CPU capability
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:34:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <867cnd65rx.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e2dd92a1-a8bb-4421-a814-2d663acc7f11@arm.com>

On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 16:03:37 +0100,
Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com> wrote:
> 
> On 20/10/2023 09:16, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> > On Mon, 09 Oct 2023 19:50:00 +0100,
> > Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> +static bool has_lpa2(const struct arm64_cpu_capabilities *entry, int scope)
> >> +{
> >> +	u64 mmfr0;
> >> +	bool ret;
> >> +
> >> +	mmfr0 = read_sanitised_ftr_reg(SYS_ID_AA64MMFR0_EL1);
> >> +	ret = has_lpa2_at_stage1(mmfr0);
> >> +
> >> +	if (kvm_get_mode() != KVM_MODE_NONE)
> >> +		ret = ret && has_lpa2_at_stage2(mmfr0);
> > 
> > Isn't it too late to go back on the decision to use LPA2 at S1 if you
> > realise that S2 doesn't support it?
> 
> The KVM mode dependent part was a change that Oliver asked for. I guess you are
> talking about kernel S1? I don't think it's too late here to decide whether the
> (nvhe) hyp s1 should use LPA2. But I guess your point is that kernel s1 would
> have had to decide much earlier in boot and will have had to take LPA2 support
> in both S1 and S2 into account, and would not have the KVM mode info available
> to it at that point?

That's roughly my point. When we reach this point on a VHE system,
we're pretty far along and I'm not sure we can turn back. In all
honesty, if a system doesn't support LPA2 at S2, it is in a pretty bad
shape and we shouldn't bother supporting it. Or at least not with KVM.

Just because the architecture allows braindead configurations doesn't
mean we have to go out of our way to support them. In this case, I'd
be absolutely fine with disabling KVM altogether.

> > Why isn't this patch the first or second in the series? You could use
> > it to drive the LPA2 decision in the patch #2, avoiding the ugly lpa2
> > flag...
> 
> I still only think this works if we put my patch and Ard's patch in atomically?
> Or at least force has_lpa2() to always return false until both are in, then flip
> the switch atomically.

Whichever works for you. My only ask is to try to minimise the churn
here.

Thanks,

	M.

-- 
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Oliver Upton <oliver.upton@linux.dev>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	James Morse <james.morse@arm.com>,
	Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 04/12] KVM: arm64: Add ARM64_HAS_LPA2 CPU capability
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:34:58 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <867cnd65rx.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e2dd92a1-a8bb-4421-a814-2d663acc7f11@arm.com>

On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 16:03:37 +0100,
Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com> wrote:
> 
> On 20/10/2023 09:16, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> > On Mon, 09 Oct 2023 19:50:00 +0100,
> > Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> +static bool has_lpa2(const struct arm64_cpu_capabilities *entry, int scope)
> >> +{
> >> +	u64 mmfr0;
> >> +	bool ret;
> >> +
> >> +	mmfr0 = read_sanitised_ftr_reg(SYS_ID_AA64MMFR0_EL1);
> >> +	ret = has_lpa2_at_stage1(mmfr0);
> >> +
> >> +	if (kvm_get_mode() != KVM_MODE_NONE)
> >> +		ret = ret && has_lpa2_at_stage2(mmfr0);
> > 
> > Isn't it too late to go back on the decision to use LPA2 at S1 if you
> > realise that S2 doesn't support it?
> 
> The KVM mode dependent part was a change that Oliver asked for. I guess you are
> talking about kernel S1? I don't think it's too late here to decide whether the
> (nvhe) hyp s1 should use LPA2. But I guess your point is that kernel s1 would
> have had to decide much earlier in boot and will have had to take LPA2 support
> in both S1 and S2 into account, and would not have the KVM mode info available
> to it at that point?

That's roughly my point. When we reach this point on a VHE system,
we're pretty far along and I'm not sure we can turn back. In all
honesty, if a system doesn't support LPA2 at S2, it is in a pretty bad
shape and we shouldn't bother supporting it. Or at least not with KVM.

Just because the architecture allows braindead configurations doesn't
mean we have to go out of our way to support them. In this case, I'd
be absolutely fine with disabling KVM altogether.

> > Why isn't this patch the first or second in the series? You could use
> > it to drive the LPA2 decision in the patch #2, avoiding the ugly lpa2
> > flag...
> 
> I still only think this works if we put my patch and Ard's patch in atomically?
> Or at least force has_lpa2() to always return false until both are in, then flip
> the switch atomically.

Whichever works for you. My only ask is to try to minimise the churn
here.

Thanks,

	M.

-- 
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-23  9:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-09 18:49 [PATCH v4 00/12] KVM: arm64: Support FEAT_LPA2 at hyp s1 and vm s2 Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:49 ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:49 ` [PATCH v4 01/12] arm64/mm: Update non-range tlb invalidation routines for FEAT_LPA2 Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:49   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-19  8:03   ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-19  8:03     ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-19  9:22     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-19  9:22       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-20  8:05       ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-20  8:05         ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-20 12:39         ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-20 12:39           ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-20 13:02           ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-20 13:02             ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-20 13:21             ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-20 13:21               ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-20 13:41               ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-20 13:41                 ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-09 18:49 ` [PATCH v4 02/12] arm64/mm: Update range-based " Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:49   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-19 21:06   ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-19 21:06     ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-20 14:55     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-20 14:55       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:49 ` [PATCH v4 03/12] arm64/mm: Add FEAT_LPA2 specific ID_AA64MMFR0.TGRAN[2] Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:49   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:50 ` [PATCH v4 04/12] KVM: arm64: Add ARM64_HAS_LPA2 CPU capability Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:50   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-20  8:16   ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-20  8:16     ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-20 15:03     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-20 15:03       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-23  9:34       ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2023-10-23  9:34         ` Marc Zyngier
2023-11-13 11:57     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-13 11:57       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-11-13 12:16       ` Marc Zyngier
2023-11-13 12:16         ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-09 18:50 ` [PATCH v4 05/12] KVM: arm64: Add new (V)TCR_EL2 field definitions for FEAT_LPA2 Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:50   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:50 ` [PATCH v4 06/12] KVM: arm64: Use LPA2 page-tables for stage2 and hyp stage1 Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:50   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-20  9:16   ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-20  9:16     ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-20 15:06     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-20 15:06       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-23  9:36       ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-23  9:36         ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-09 18:50 ` [PATCH v4 07/12] KVM: arm64: Prepare TCR_EL2.PS in cpu_prepare_hyp_mode() Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:50   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-20  9:21   ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-20  9:21     ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-20 15:07     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-20 15:07       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:50 ` [PATCH v4 08/12] KVM: arm64: Convert translation level parameter to s8 Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:50   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-20 10:42   ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-20 10:42     ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-20 15:11     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-20 15:11       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:50 ` [PATCH v4 09/12] KVM: arm64: Support up to 5 levels of translation in kvm_pgtable Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:50   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:50 ` [PATCH v4 10/12] KVM: arm64: Allow guests with >48-bit IPA size on FEAT_LPA2 systems Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:50   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:50 ` [PATCH v4 11/12] KVM: selftests: arm64: Determine max ipa size per-page size Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:50   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:50 ` [PATCH v4 12/12] KVM: selftests: arm64: Support P52V48 4K and 16K guest_modes Ryan Roberts
2023-10-09 18:50   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-20 10:54 ` [PATCH v4 00/12] KVM: arm64: Support FEAT_LPA2 at hyp s1 and vm s2 Marc Zyngier
2023-10-20 10:54   ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-20 15:22   ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-20 15:22     ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-23  9:42     ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-23  9:42       ` Marc Zyngier
2023-10-23 15:00       ` Ryan Roberts
2023-10-23 15:00         ` Ryan Roberts

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