From: Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
will@kernel.org, catalin.marinas@arm.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, nicolinc@nvidia.com,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
zhi.wang.linux@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] arm64: Notify on pte permission upgrades
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2023 09:56:22 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <871qiwqce2.fsf@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZHdn+FsH6BWcK7C4@nvidia.com>
Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> writes:
> On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 12:46:06PM +1000, Alistair Popple wrote:
>>
>> Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> writes:
>>
>> > On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 10:30:48AM +1000, Alistair Popple wrote:
>> >
>> >> So I'd rather keep the invalidate in ptep_set_access_flags(). Would
>> >> renaming invalidate_range() to invalidate_arch_secondary_tlb() along
>> >> with clearing up the documentation make that more acceptable, at least
>> >> in the short term?
>> >
>> > Then we need to go through removing kvm first I think.
>>
>> Why? I don't think we need to hold up a fix for something that is an
>> issue today so we can rework a fix for an unrelated problem.
>
> I'm nervous about affecting KVM's weird usage if we go in and start
> making changes. Getting rid of it first is much safer
Fair enough. In this case though I think we're safe because we won't be
affecting KVM's usage of it - my change only affects ARM64 and KVM only
really uses this on x86 via the arch-specific
kvm_arch_mmu_notifier_invalidate_range() definition.
>> > Yeah, I think I would call it invalidate_arch_secondary_tlb() and
>> > document it as being an arch specific set of invalidations that match
>> > the architected TLB maintenance requrements. And maybe we can check it
>> > more carefully to make it be called in less places. Like I'm not sure
>> > it is right to call it from invalidate_range_end under this new
>> > definition..
>>
>> I will look at this in more depth, but this comment reminded me there is
>> already an issue with calling .invalidate_range() from
>> invalidate_range_end(). We have seen slow downs when unmapping unused
>> ranges because unmap_vmas() will call .invalidate_range() via
>> .invalidate_range_end() flooding the SMMU with invalidates even though
>> zap_pte_range() skipped it because the PTEs were pte_none.
>
> Yes, if the new API is specifically about synchronizing an architected
> TLB then really the call to the op should be done near the
> architectures TLB flush points, and not higher in the MM.
>
> ie any flush of the CPU tlb should mirror 1:1 to a flush of the IOMMU
> TLB, no broadinging or narrowing.
>
> It is a very clean defintion and we can leap directly to it once we
> get kvm out of the way.
Yes, no argument there.
> Jason
_______________________________________________
linux-arm-kernel mailing list
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-arm-kernel
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
will@kernel.org, catalin.marinas@arm.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, nicolinc@nvidia.com,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>,
zhi.wang.linux@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] arm64: Notify on pte permission upgrades
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2023 09:56:22 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <871qiwqce2.fsf@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZHdn+FsH6BWcK7C4@nvidia.com>
Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> writes:
> On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 12:46:06PM +1000, Alistair Popple wrote:
>>
>> Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com> writes:
>>
>> > On Wed, May 31, 2023 at 10:30:48AM +1000, Alistair Popple wrote:
>> >
>> >> So I'd rather keep the invalidate in ptep_set_access_flags(). Would
>> >> renaming invalidate_range() to invalidate_arch_secondary_tlb() along
>> >> with clearing up the documentation make that more acceptable, at least
>> >> in the short term?
>> >
>> > Then we need to go through removing kvm first I think.
>>
>> Why? I don't think we need to hold up a fix for something that is an
>> issue today so we can rework a fix for an unrelated problem.
>
> I'm nervous about affecting KVM's weird usage if we go in and start
> making changes. Getting rid of it first is much safer
Fair enough. In this case though I think we're safe because we won't be
affecting KVM's usage of it - my change only affects ARM64 and KVM only
really uses this on x86 via the arch-specific
kvm_arch_mmu_notifier_invalidate_range() definition.
>> > Yeah, I think I would call it invalidate_arch_secondary_tlb() and
>> > document it as being an arch specific set of invalidations that match
>> > the architected TLB maintenance requrements. And maybe we can check it
>> > more carefully to make it be called in less places. Like I'm not sure
>> > it is right to call it from invalidate_range_end under this new
>> > definition..
>>
>> I will look at this in more depth, but this comment reminded me there is
>> already an issue with calling .invalidate_range() from
>> invalidate_range_end(). We have seen slow downs when unmapping unused
>> ranges because unmap_vmas() will call .invalidate_range() via
>> .invalidate_range_end() flooding the SMMU with invalidates even though
>> zap_pte_range() skipped it because the PTEs were pte_none.
>
> Yes, if the new API is specifically about synchronizing an architected
> TLB then really the call to the op should be done near the
> architectures TLB flush points, and not higher in the MM.
>
> ie any flush of the CPU tlb should mirror 1:1 to a flush of the IOMMU
> TLB, no broadinging or narrowing.
>
> It is a very clean defintion and we can leap directly to it once we
> get kvm out of the way.
Yes, no argument there.
> Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-06-01 0:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-05-24 1:47 [PATCH 1/2] mmu_notifiers: Restore documentation for .invalidate_range() Alistair Popple
2023-05-24 1:47 ` Alistair Popple
2023-05-24 1:47 ` [PATCH 2/2] arm64: Notify on pte permission upgrades Alistair Popple
2023-05-24 1:47 ` Alistair Popple
2023-05-28 0:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-28 0:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-30 8:05 ` Alistair Popple
2023-05-30 8:05 ` Alistair Popple
2023-05-30 11:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-30 11:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-30 12:14 ` Robin Murphy
2023-05-30 12:14 ` Robin Murphy
2023-05-30 12:52 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-30 12:52 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-30 13:44 ` Robin Murphy
2023-05-30 13:44 ` Robin Murphy
2023-05-30 14:06 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-30 14:06 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-30 21:44 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-30 21:44 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-30 23:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-30 23:08 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-31 0:30 ` Alistair Popple
2023-05-31 0:30 ` Alistair Popple
2023-05-31 0:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-31 0:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-31 2:46 ` Alistair Popple
2023-05-31 2:46 ` Alistair Popple
2023-05-31 15:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-31 15:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-31 23:56 ` Alistair Popple [this message]
2023-05-31 23:56 ` Alistair Popple
[not found] ` <31cdd164783fefad4c9ef4a6d33c1e0094405d0f03added523a82dd9febdf15f@mu.id>
2023-06-09 2:06 ` Alistair Popple
2023-06-09 2:06 ` Alistair Popple
2023-06-09 6:05 ` Alistair Popple
2023-06-09 6:05 ` Alistair Popple
2023-05-24 2:20 ` [PATCH 1/2] mmu_notifiers: Restore documentation for .invalidate_range() John Hubbard
2023-05-24 2:20 ` John Hubbard
2023-05-24 4:45 ` Alistair Popple
2023-05-24 4:45 ` Alistair Popple
2023-05-27 23:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-27 23:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-05-24 3:48 ` Zhi Wang
2023-05-24 3:48 ` Zhi Wang
2023-05-24 4:57 ` Alistair Popple
2023-05-24 4:57 ` Alistair Popple
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=871qiwqce2.fsf@nvidia.com \
--to=apopple@nvidia.com \
--cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
--cc=catalin.marinas@arm.com \
--cc=jgg@nvidia.com \
--cc=jhubbard@nvidia.com \
--cc=kvm@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
--cc=nicolinc@nvidia.com \
--cc=robin.murphy@arm.com \
--cc=seanjc@google.com \
--cc=will@kernel.org \
--cc=zhi.wang.linux@gmail.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.