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From: Kalle Valo <kvalo@qca.qualcomm.com>
To: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Cc: "linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org" <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>,
	ath10k <ath10k@lists.infradead.org>,
	Emmanuel Grumbach <egrumbach@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Firmware debugging patches?
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 11:35:28 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8738ffiysv.fsf@kamboji.qca.qualcomm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53932F52.2030203@candelatech.com> (Ben Greear's message of "Sat,  7 Jun 2014 08:27:14 -0700")

Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com> writes:

>>> Perhaps the time-stamp is good enough?  I don't see a need for
>>> a uuid, but perhaps I am missing something?
>>
>> UUID is supposed to be unique. If we use walltime there's no guarantee
>> that the clock is correct and if we use local_clock() (my preference) it
>> will be reset after every boot.
>>
>> I just think using something like UUID is more robust. Especially if one
>> implements an automatic crash dump collector from thousands of deployed
>> APs, having an UUID makes it a lot easier to manage.
>
> I can add since-boot timestamp as well.  Time-since-boot is less likely
> to be unique than wall-time, and for systems that do have proper wall-time
> clock configured, I think that provides some useful info.  (Would be interesting
> if all APs in a stadium crashed near the same time, for instance.)
>
> I was thinking we should not add a MAC to the dump, for privacy concerns,
> but whatever user-space tools gather the dump could add MAC if user perfers.

The MAC addresses can be extracted from the target memory anyway so I
don't see harm from including that in the dump. Is it even possible to
address all privacy issues when dealing with firmware dumps?

> With time-of-day, time-since-boot, and MAC, each dump should be unique.

But I would like to easily match from kernel log that the crash dump
matches with log. uuid would provide that in a simple way (check that
the uuid in the log matches with the uuid in the dump). What's so bad
from using uuid?

-- 
Kalle Valo

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From: Kalle Valo <kvalo@qca.qualcomm.com>
To: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
Cc: Emmanuel Grumbach <egrumbach@gmail.com>,
	ath10k <ath10k@lists.infradead.org>,
	"linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org" <linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Firmware debugging patches?
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 11:35:28 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8738ffiysv.fsf@kamboji.qca.qualcomm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53932F52.2030203@candelatech.com> (Ben Greear's message of "Sat, 7 Jun 2014 08:27:14 -0700")

Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com> writes:

>>> Perhaps the time-stamp is good enough?  I don't see a need for
>>> a uuid, but perhaps I am missing something?
>>
>> UUID is supposed to be unique. If we use walltime there's no guarantee
>> that the clock is correct and if we use local_clock() (my preference) it
>> will be reset after every boot.
>>
>> I just think using something like UUID is more robust. Especially if one
>> implements an automatic crash dump collector from thousands of deployed
>> APs, having an UUID makes it a lot easier to manage.
>
> I can add since-boot timestamp as well.  Time-since-boot is less likely
> to be unique than wall-time, and for systems that do have proper wall-time
> clock configured, I think that provides some useful info.  (Would be interesting
> if all APs in a stadium crashed near the same time, for instance.)
>
> I was thinking we should not add a MAC to the dump, for privacy concerns,
> but whatever user-space tools gather the dump could add MAC if user perfers.

The MAC addresses can be extracted from the target memory anyway so I
don't see harm from including that in the dump. Is it even possible to
address all privacy issues when dealing with firmware dumps?

> With time-of-day, time-since-boot, and MAC, each dump should be unique.

But I would like to easily match from kernel log that the crash dump
matches with log. uuid would provide that in a simple way (check that
the uuid in the log matches with the uuid in the dump). What's so bad
from using uuid?

-- 
Kalle Valo

  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-08  8:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <53891ACD.7070902@candelatech.com>
2014-06-02 16:21 ` Firmware debugging patches? Kalle Valo
2014-06-02 16:40   ` Ben Greear
2014-06-02 17:08     ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-02 17:42       ` Ben Greear
2014-06-02 17:42         ` Ben Greear
2014-06-02 18:46         ` Emmanuel Grumbach
2014-06-02 18:46           ` Emmanuel Grumbach
2014-06-02 18:58           ` Ben Greear
2014-06-02 18:58             ` Ben Greear
2014-06-02 19:29             ` Emmanuel Grumbach
2014-06-02 19:29               ` Emmanuel Grumbach
2014-06-02 19:48               ` Ben Greear
2014-06-02 19:48                 ` Ben Greear
2014-06-04 19:23                 ` Emmanuel Grumbach
2014-06-04 19:23                   ` Emmanuel Grumbach
2014-06-04 19:29                   ` Ben Greear
2014-06-04 19:29                     ` Ben Greear
2014-06-05 11:10                     ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-05 11:10                       ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-05 15:51                       ` Ben Greear
2014-06-05 15:51                         ` Ben Greear
2014-06-05 11:06                 ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-05 11:06                   ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-05 15:57                   ` Ben Greear
2014-06-05 15:57                     ` Ben Greear
2014-06-06  6:51                     ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-06  6:51                       ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-06 16:02                       ` Ben Greear
2014-06-06 16:02                         ` Ben Greear
2014-06-07 13:03                         ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-07 13:03                           ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-07 15:27                           ` Ben Greear
2014-06-07 15:27                             ` Ben Greear
2014-06-08  8:35                             ` Kalle Valo [this message]
2014-06-08  8:35                               ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-08  9:13                               ` Johannes Berg
2014-06-08  9:13                                 ` Johannes Berg
2014-06-08 16:01                                 ` Emmanuel Grumbach
2014-06-08 16:01                                   ` Emmanuel Grumbach
2014-06-08 15:39                               ` Ben Greear
2014-06-08 15:39                                 ` Ben Greear
2014-06-09  8:17                                 ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-09  8:17                                   ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-09 15:09                                   ` Ben Greear
2014-06-09 15:09                                     ` Ben Greear
2014-06-09 15:47                                     ` Ben Greear
2014-06-09 15:47                                       ` Ben Greear
2014-06-09 16:27                                       ` Ben Greear
2014-06-09 16:27                                         ` Ben Greear
2014-06-10  6:05                                         ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-10  6:05                                           ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-10 15:06                                           ` Ben Greear
2014-06-10 15:06                                             ` Ben Greear
2014-06-26 15:26                                           ` Ben Greear
2014-06-26 15:26                                             ` Ben Greear
2014-06-26 16:01                                             ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-26 16:01                                               ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-05 10:58             ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-05 10:58               ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-05 15:59               ` Ben Greear
2014-06-05 15:59                 ` Ben Greear
2014-06-05 10:51         ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-05 10:51           ` Kalle Valo
2014-06-05 16:03           ` Ben Greear
2014-06-05 16:03             ` Ben Greear
2014-06-02 21:21   ` Ben Greear
2014-06-06  9:43     ` Kalle Valo

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