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From: Esben Haabendal <esben@geanix.com>
To: "Michael Walle" <mwalle@kernel.org>
Cc: "Tudor Ambarus" <tudor.ambarus@linaro.org>,
	 "Pratyush Yadav" <pratyush@kernel.org>,
	 "Miquel Raynal" <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>,
	"Richard Weinberger" <richard@nod.at>,
	 "Vignesh Raghavendra" <vigneshr@ti.com>,
	 <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 "Rasmus Villemoes" <rasmus.villemoes@prevas.dk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] mtd: spi-nor: core: add flag for doing optional SFDP
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2024 19:20:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874ja6aszh.fsf@geanix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D1T10API5U80.1OKB56YTFGMTN@kernel.org> (Michael Walle's message of "Thu, 06 Jun 2024 17:06:31 +0200")

"Michael Walle" <mwalle@kernel.org> writes:

> On Thu Jun 6, 2024 at 4:52 PM CEST, Tudor Ambarus wrote:
>> On 6/6/24 14:59, Michael Walle wrote:
>> > On Thu Jun 6, 2024 at 3:31 PM CEST, Tudor Ambarus wrote:
>> >> On 6/3/24 14:09, Esben Haabendal wrote:
>> >>> A dedicated flag for triggering call to
>> >>> spi_nor_sfdp_init_params_deprecated() allows enabling optional SFDP read
>> >>> and parse, with fallback to legacy flash parameters, without having dual,
>> >>> quad or octal parameters set in the legacy flash parameters.
>> >>>
>> >>> With this, spi-nor flash parts without SFDP that is replaced with a
>> >>> different flash NOR flash part that does have SFDP, but shares the same
>> >>> manufacturer and device ID is easily handled.
>> >>>
>> >>> Signed-off-by: Esben Haabendal <esben@geanix.com>
>> >>> ---
>> >>>  drivers/mtd/spi-nor/core.c | 3 ++-
>> >>>  drivers/mtd/spi-nor/core.h | 1 +
>> >>>  2 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>> >>>
>> >>> diff --git a/drivers/mtd/spi-nor/core.c b/drivers/mtd/spi-nor/core.c
>> >>> index 3e1f1913536b..1c4d66fc993b 100644
>> >>> --- a/drivers/mtd/spi-nor/core.c
>> >>> +++ b/drivers/mtd/spi-nor/core.c
>> >>> @@ -2933,7 +2933,8 @@ static void spi_nor_init_params_deprecated(struct spi_nor *nor)
>> >>>  
>> >>>  	spi_nor_manufacturer_init_params(nor);
>> >>>  
>> >>> -	if (nor->info->no_sfdp_flags & (SPI_NOR_DUAL_READ |
>> >>> +	if (nor->info->no_sfdp_flags & (SPI_NOR_TRY_SFDP |
>> >>
>> >> I don't like that we update deprecated methods. The solution though is
>> >> elegant.
>> > 
>> > I actually had the same concern. But currently there is no
>> > non-deprecated way to handle this case, right?
>> > 
>> > Right now we have the following cases:
>> >  (1) pure SFDP parsing
>> >  (2) non-SFDP flashes with static configuration only
>> >  (3) legacy implementation, where the magic flags decide whether we
>> >      use SFDP
>> > 
>> > Which case is eventually used depends on the ID of the flash -
>> > assuming there will only be IDs which either fall into (1) *or* (2).
>> > That assumption is clearly wrong :)
>> > 
>> > I'd propose a new case in spi_nor_init_params()
>> >  (4) try SFDP with a fallback to the static flags from the
>> >      flash_info db.
>> > 
>>
>> that's not that bad, but I would avoid doing it if it's not common. You
>> also have to update the core a bit, you can't use no_sfdp_flags &
>> TRY_SFDP, it's misleading. Does it worth it?
>
> IMHO no_sfdp_flags is the correct place (maybe TRY_SFDP is wrong,
> maybe SFDP_FALLBACK?)

TRY_SFDP might not be the best choice. But SFDP_FALLBACK sounds to me
like it is fallback _to_ SFDP, so rather counter-intuitive.

> because the flash is first treated like in
> case (2). Then SFDP is tried based on that flag.

It is first treated like in case (2), and then tried for case (1),
falling back to the result from case (2) if/when case (1) fails.

> Is it worth it? I
> don't know, Esben is doing the development here ;) So up to him.

I am not sure exactly how it should look like, but I do like the idea
proposed above, case (4). It is easier to describe and understand than
the current legacy implementation.

>> I won't oppose too much, but to me it feels that we're trying to keep
>> alive a dead man.
>
> Maybe, but we'd have a readily solution if we face a similar
> problem in the future. I'm really not sure, how many flashes there
> are, but I think these magic bits (which tells the legacy
> implementation to try SFDP) will mask quite a few of these.
> I.e. in an ideal world where we could finally drop case (3) and
> you'd need to split the flashes between case (1) or (2), I think
> there will be quite some in (4).

I like this. Judging by the way Macronix is handling this particular
chip, I strongly assume that there are several other examples of this
for other Macronix parts. Of-course, as long as the original part using
the particular flash id supported SFDP, and all later flashes using the
same id also does, none of this is needed.

/Esben

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From: Esben Haabendal <esben@geanix.com>
To: "Michael Walle" <mwalle@kernel.org>
Cc: "Tudor Ambarus" <tudor.ambarus@linaro.org>,
	 "Pratyush Yadav" <pratyush@kernel.org>,
	 "Miquel Raynal" <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>,
	"Richard Weinberger" <richard@nod.at>,
	 "Vignesh Raghavendra" <vigneshr@ti.com>,
	 <linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 "Rasmus Villemoes" <rasmus.villemoes@prevas.dk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] mtd: spi-nor: core: add flag for doing optional SFDP
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2024 19:20:02 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874ja6aszh.fsf@geanix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D1T10API5U80.1OKB56YTFGMTN@kernel.org> (Michael Walle's message of "Thu, 06 Jun 2024 17:06:31 +0200")

"Michael Walle" <mwalle@kernel.org> writes:

> On Thu Jun 6, 2024 at 4:52 PM CEST, Tudor Ambarus wrote:
>> On 6/6/24 14:59, Michael Walle wrote:
>> > On Thu Jun 6, 2024 at 3:31 PM CEST, Tudor Ambarus wrote:
>> >> On 6/3/24 14:09, Esben Haabendal wrote:
>> >>> A dedicated flag for triggering call to
>> >>> spi_nor_sfdp_init_params_deprecated() allows enabling optional SFDP read
>> >>> and parse, with fallback to legacy flash parameters, without having dual,
>> >>> quad or octal parameters set in the legacy flash parameters.
>> >>>
>> >>> With this, spi-nor flash parts without SFDP that is replaced with a
>> >>> different flash NOR flash part that does have SFDP, but shares the same
>> >>> manufacturer and device ID is easily handled.
>> >>>
>> >>> Signed-off-by: Esben Haabendal <esben@geanix.com>
>> >>> ---
>> >>>  drivers/mtd/spi-nor/core.c | 3 ++-
>> >>>  drivers/mtd/spi-nor/core.h | 1 +
>> >>>  2 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>> >>>
>> >>> diff --git a/drivers/mtd/spi-nor/core.c b/drivers/mtd/spi-nor/core.c
>> >>> index 3e1f1913536b..1c4d66fc993b 100644
>> >>> --- a/drivers/mtd/spi-nor/core.c
>> >>> +++ b/drivers/mtd/spi-nor/core.c
>> >>> @@ -2933,7 +2933,8 @@ static void spi_nor_init_params_deprecated(struct spi_nor *nor)
>> >>>  
>> >>>  	spi_nor_manufacturer_init_params(nor);
>> >>>  
>> >>> -	if (nor->info->no_sfdp_flags & (SPI_NOR_DUAL_READ |
>> >>> +	if (nor->info->no_sfdp_flags & (SPI_NOR_TRY_SFDP |
>> >>
>> >> I don't like that we update deprecated methods. The solution though is
>> >> elegant.
>> > 
>> > I actually had the same concern. But currently there is no
>> > non-deprecated way to handle this case, right?
>> > 
>> > Right now we have the following cases:
>> >  (1) pure SFDP parsing
>> >  (2) non-SFDP flashes with static configuration only
>> >  (3) legacy implementation, where the magic flags decide whether we
>> >      use SFDP
>> > 
>> > Which case is eventually used depends on the ID of the flash -
>> > assuming there will only be IDs which either fall into (1) *or* (2).
>> > That assumption is clearly wrong :)
>> > 
>> > I'd propose a new case in spi_nor_init_params()
>> >  (4) try SFDP with a fallback to the static flags from the
>> >      flash_info db.
>> > 
>>
>> that's not that bad, but I would avoid doing it if it's not common. You
>> also have to update the core a bit, you can't use no_sfdp_flags &
>> TRY_SFDP, it's misleading. Does it worth it?
>
> IMHO no_sfdp_flags is the correct place (maybe TRY_SFDP is wrong,
> maybe SFDP_FALLBACK?)

TRY_SFDP might not be the best choice. But SFDP_FALLBACK sounds to me
like it is fallback _to_ SFDP, so rather counter-intuitive.

> because the flash is first treated like in
> case (2). Then SFDP is tried based on that flag.

It is first treated like in case (2), and then tried for case (1),
falling back to the result from case (2) if/when case (1) fails.

> Is it worth it? I
> don't know, Esben is doing the development here ;) So up to him.

I am not sure exactly how it should look like, but I do like the idea
proposed above, case (4). It is easier to describe and understand than
the current legacy implementation.

>> I won't oppose too much, but to me it feels that we're trying to keep
>> alive a dead man.
>
> Maybe, but we'd have a readily solution if we face a similar
> problem in the future. I'm really not sure, how many flashes there
> are, but I think these magic bits (which tells the legacy
> implementation to try SFDP) will mask quite a few of these.
> I.e. in an ideal world where we could finally drop case (3) and
> you'd need to split the flashes between case (1) or (2), I think
> there will be quite some in (4).

I like this. Judging by the way Macronix is handling this particular
chip, I strongly assume that there are several other examples of this
for other Macronix parts. Of-course, as long as the original part using
the particular flash id supported SFDP, and all later flashes using the
same id also does, none of this is needed.

/Esben

  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-06 17:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-03 13:09 [PATCH v2 0/2] mtd: spi-nor: macronix: workaround for device id re-use Esben Haabendal
2024-06-03 13:09 ` Esben Haabendal
2024-06-03 13:09 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] mtd: spi-nor: core: add flag for doing optional SFDP Esben Haabendal
2024-06-03 13:09   ` Esben Haabendal
2024-06-06 13:31   ` Tudor Ambarus
2024-06-06 13:31     ` Tudor Ambarus
2024-06-06 13:59     ` Michael Walle
2024-06-06 13:59       ` Michael Walle
2024-06-06 14:52       ` Tudor Ambarus
2024-06-06 14:52         ` Tudor Ambarus
2024-06-06 15:06         ` Michael Walle
2024-06-06 15:06           ` Michael Walle
2024-06-06 17:20           ` Esben Haabendal [this message]
2024-06-06 17:20             ` Esben Haabendal
2024-06-07  9:22             ` Tudor Ambarus
2024-06-07  9:22               ` Tudor Ambarus
2024-06-07 13:30               ` Esben Haabendal
2024-06-07 13:30                 ` Esben Haabendal
2024-06-12  8:51                 ` Michael Walle
2024-06-12  8:51                   ` Michael Walle
2024-06-06 17:20         ` Esben Haabendal
2024-06-06 17:20           ` Esben Haabendal
2024-07-10 18:42       ` Esben Haabendal
2024-07-10 18:42         ` Esben Haabendal
2024-07-11  9:02         ` Michael Walle
2024-07-11  9:02           ` Michael Walle
2024-07-11 11:55           ` Esben Haabendal
2024-07-11 11:55             ` Esben Haabendal
2024-06-06 17:13     ` Esben Haabendal
2024-06-06 17:13       ` Esben Haabendal
2024-06-03 13:09 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] mtd: spi-nor: macronix: enable quad/dual speed for mx25l3205d chips Esben Haabendal
2024-06-03 13:09   ` Esben Haabendal
2024-06-06 13:33   ` Tudor Ambarus
2024-06-06 13:33     ` Tudor Ambarus
2024-06-06 17:23     ` Esben Haabendal
2024-06-06 17:23       ` Esben Haabendal

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