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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>
Cc: Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	khlebnikov@yandex-team.ru, prakash.sangappa@oracle.com,
	luto@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, oleg@redhat.com,
	serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com, esyr@redhat.com, jannh@google.com,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	Nagarathnam Muthusamy <nagarathnam.muthusamy@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [REVIEW][PATCH 00/11] ipc: Fixing the pid namespace support
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 13:42:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874lky911j.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180329011241.v5kgiwbbayz425hk@linux-n805> (Davidlohr Bueso's message of "Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:12:41 -0700")

Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net> writes:

> On Fri, 23 Mar 2018, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
>>Still I would like to see this fixed and I plan on merging this code.

The code is merged into my for-next tree now.

> Yes, it needs fixed, but 1) there are pending issues (such as the
> extra atomics)

Concerns not issues.  I documented them but I don't see any serious
reason to be concerned.  The data structures are sufficiently different
from AF_UNIX as well as the usage patterns that I have no reasonable
expectation that there will be problems.

There is no reasonable alternate implementation for correcting this bug.
Because of my concerns I looked at several other possibilities and they
all showed incorrect behavior, in different circumstances.

The implementations are simple enough there are no deep subtle issues.

I have tested the code.

If a regression happens the code is carefully split up so things can be
bisected easily and reverted if necessary.

> and 2) its late in the -rc cycle. Plus this issue has existed for 11 years without
> the world ending, so I'm sure we can hold on until at least one more
> release.

People really are starting to seriously look at accessing a single ipc
namespace from multiple pid namespaces.  The work arounds I saw posted
for the current brokenness were too nasty to live.

Better to fix things before there is code that actually starts depending
on the current brokenness.

I am the namespace maintianer and this is my area of responsibility.

The code is ready and I see no reason or benefit in delay.

Eric

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org
Subject: [REVIEW][PATCH 00/11] ipc: Fixing the pid namespace support
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 13:42:00 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874lky911j.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180329011241.v5kgiwbbayz425hk@linux-n805> (Davidlohr Bueso's message of "Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:12:41 -0700")

Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net> writes:

> On Fri, 23 Mar 2018, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
>>Still I would like to see this fixed and I plan on merging this code.

The code is merged into my for-next tree now.

> Yes, it needs fixed, but 1) there are pending issues (such as the
> extra atomics)

Concerns not issues.  I documented them but I don't see any serious
reason to be concerned.  The data structures are sufficiently different
from AF_UNIX as well as the usage patterns that I have no reasonable
expectation that there will be problems.

There is no reasonable alternate implementation for correcting this bug.
Because of my concerns I looked at several other possibilities and they
all showed incorrect behavior, in different circumstances.

The implementations are simple enough there are no deep subtle issues.

I have tested the code.

If a regression happens the code is carefully split up so things can be
bisected easily and reverted if necessary.

> and 2) its late in the -rc cycle. Plus this issue has existed for 11 years without
> the world ending, so I'm sure we can hold on until at least one more
> release.

People really are starting to seriously look at accessing a single ipc
namespace from multiple pid namespaces.  The work arounds I saw posted
for the current brokenness were too nasty to live.

Better to fix things before there is code that actually starts depending
on the current brokenness.

I am the namespace maintianer and this is my area of responsibility.

The code is ready and I see no reason or benefit in delay.

Eric
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-03-29 18:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-12 17:18 [RESEND RFC] translate_pid API nagarathnam.muthusamy
2018-03-13 20:47 ` Jann Horn
2018-03-13 21:20   ` Nagarathnam Muthusamy
2018-03-13 21:28     ` Jann Horn
2018-03-13 21:44       ` Nagarathnam Muthusamy
2018-03-13 22:00         ` Jann Horn
2018-03-13 22:45           ` Nagarathnam Muthusamy
2018-03-13 23:10             ` Jann Horn
2018-03-13 23:52               ` Nagarathnam Muthusamy
2018-03-14  3:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-14 21:22   ` Nagarathnam Muthusamy
2018-03-14 22:03     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-20 20:14       ` Nagarathnam Muthusamy
2018-03-21  0:33         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]           ` <87a7v2z2qa.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-23 19:11             ` [REVIEW][PATCH 00/11] ipc: Fixing the pid namespace support Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:11               ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:11               ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16               ` [REVIEW][PATCH 03/11] msg/security: Pass kern_ipc_perm not msg_queue into the msg_queue security hooks Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 21:55                 ` Casey Schaufler
2018-03-23 21:55                   ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]                   ` <bb73b0ea-bcda-a996-8f14-48d9dd1b0940-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-24  5:37                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-24  5:37                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-24  5:37                       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <20180323191614.32489-3-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-23 21:55                   ` Casey Schaufler
2018-03-23 19:16               ` [REVIEW][PATCH 05/11] shm: Move struct shmid_kernel into ipc/shm.c Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16               ` [REVIEW][PATCH 07/11] ipc: Move IPCMNI from include/ipc.h into ipc/util.h Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16               ` [REVIEW][PATCH 09/11] ipc/shm: Fix shmctl(..., IPC_STAT, ...) between pid namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <20180323191614.32489-9-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-23 21:17                   ` NAGARATHNAM MUTHUSAMY
2018-03-23 21:17                     ` NAGARATHNAM MUTHUSAMY
2018-03-23 21:17                     ` NAGARATHNAM MUTHUSAMY
     [not found]                     ` <7df62190-2407-bfd4-d144-7304a8ea8ae3-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-23 21:33                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 21:33                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 21:33                         ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                         ` <87lgeio4tb.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-23 21:41                           ` NAGARATHNAM MUTHUSAMY
2018-03-23 21:41                             ` NAGARATHNAM MUTHUSAMY
2018-03-23 21:41                             ` NAGARATHNAM MUTHUSAMY
     [not found]                             ` <1091a91e-f8ee-b091-6d95-78b33520fb2d-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-28 23:04                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-28 23:04                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-28 23:04                               ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                               ` <87woxvajk9.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-28 23:18                                 ` Nagarathnam Muthusamy
2018-03-28 23:18                                   ` Nagarathnam Muthusamy
2018-03-28 23:18                                   ` Nagarathnam Muthusamy
2018-03-23 19:16               ` [REVIEW][PATCH 10/11] ipc/msg: Fix msgctl(..., " Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                 ` <20180323191614.32489-10-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-23 21:21                   ` NAGARATHNAM MUTHUSAMY
2018-03-23 21:21                     ` NAGARATHNAM MUTHUSAMY
2018-03-23 21:21                     ` NAGARATHNAM MUTHUSAMY
     [not found]               ` <87vadmobdw.fsf_-_-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-23 19:16                 ` [REVIEW][PATCH 01/11] sem/security: Pass kern_ipc_perm not sem_array into the sem security hooks Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 21:46                   ` Casey Schaufler
2018-03-23 21:46                     ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]                     ` <bdf6ed62-b75c-1920-d5ce-ea08428d03d0-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-28 23:20                       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-28 23:20                     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-28 23:20                       ` Davidlohr Bueso
     [not found]                   ` <20180323191614.32489-1-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-23 21:46                     ` Casey Schaufler
2018-03-23 19:16                 ` [REVIEW][PATCH 02/11] shm/security: Pass kern_ipc_perm not shmid_kernel into the shm " Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 21:54                   ` Casey Schaufler
2018-03-23 21:54                     ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]                   ` <20180323191614.32489-2-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-23 21:54                     ` Casey Schaufler
2018-03-23 19:16                 ` [REVIEW][PATCH 03/11] msg/security: Pass kern_ipc_perm not msg_queue into the msg_queue " Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                 ` [REVIEW][PATCH 04/11] sem: Move struct sem and struct sem_array into ipc/sem.c Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                 ` [REVIEW][PATCH 05/11] shm: Move struct shmid_kernel into ipc/shm.c Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                 ` [REVIEW][PATCH 06/11] msg: Move struct msg_queue into ipc/msg.c Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                 ` [REVIEW][PATCH 07/11] ipc: Move IPCMNI from include/ipc.h into ipc/util.h Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                 ` [REVIEW][PATCH 08/11] ipc/util: Helpers for making the sysvipc operations pid namespace aware Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                 ` [REVIEW][PATCH 09/11] ipc/shm: Fix shmctl(..., IPC_STAT, ...) between pid namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                 ` [REVIEW][PATCH 10/11] ipc/msg: Fix msgctl(..., " Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                 ` [REVIEW][PATCH 11/11] ipc/sem: Fix semctl(..., GETPID, " Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-23 19:16                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-29  0:52                   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-29  0:52                     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-30 19:09                     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-30 19:09                     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-30 19:09                       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-30 20:12                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-30 20:12                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-30 20:45                         ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-30 20:45                           ` Davidlohr Bueso
     [not found]                         ` <87y3i91fxh.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-30 20:45                           ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-30 20:12                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-04-02 11:11                       ` Manfred Spraul
2018-04-02 11:11                         ` Manfred Spraul
2018-04-02 11:11                       ` Manfred Spraul
     [not found]                   ` <20180323191614.32489-11-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-29  0:52                     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-24  5:40                 ` [REVIEW][PATCH 12/11] ipc: Directly call the security hook in ipc_ops.associate Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-24  5:40                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-24  5:40                   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                   ` <877eq2m3or.fsf_-_-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-28 23:40                     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-31  2:13                     ` James Morris
2018-03-31  2:13                       ` James Morris
2018-03-31  2:13                       ` James Morris
2018-03-28 23:40                   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-28 23:40                     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-24  5:42                 ` [REVIEW][PATCH 13/11] ipc/smack: Tidy up from the change in type of the ipc security hooks Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-29  1:12                 ` [REVIEW][PATCH 00/11] ipc: Fixing the pid namespace support Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-29  1:12                   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-29  1:12                   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-29 18:42                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-29 18:42                   ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2018-03-29 18:42                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-24  5:42               ` [REVIEW][PATCH 13/11] ipc/smack: Tidy up from the change in type of the ipc security hooks Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-24  5:42                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-03-28 23:57                 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-28 23:57                   ` Davidlohr Bueso
     [not found]                 ` <87y3iikp1y.fsf_-_-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-25  0:05                   ` Casey Schaufler
2018-03-25  0:05                     ` Casey Schaufler
2018-03-25  0:05                     ` Casey Schaufler
2018-03-28 23:38                     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-28 23:38                       ` Davidlohr Bueso
     [not found]                     ` <80cd2fea-c9a8-4f26-acbb-e0ecb34e4e40-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2018-03-28 23:38                       ` Davidlohr Bueso
2018-03-28 23:57                   ` Davidlohr Bueso

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