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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Vlad Yasevich <vyasevich@gmail.com>
Cc: Jan Ariyasu <jan.ariyasu@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jan Ariyasu <jan.ariyasu@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/13] SCTP: Enable netns
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 19:50:46 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874noflrzd.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50201928.2030802@gmail.com> (Vlad Yasevich's message of "Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:21:12 -0400")

Vlad Yasevich <vyasevich@gmail.com> writes:


> Hi Eric
>
> Associations are looked up by ports, but then verifyed by addresses.
> Also, associations belong to sockets and simply validating the socket
> namespace should be sufficient.

True.  Your set of patches isn't quite as likely to malfunction as it
looked at first glance.  It requires address reuse which happens accross
namespaces but not too frequently.

As for validating the socket namespace I agree that is the fix and my
patchset winds up doing it.

>> The downside with my version is that it does not make all of the sctp
>> tunables per network namespace the way yours does, but making all of
>> the tunables per network namespace should be straight forward from
>> my base.
>>
>> My patchset also misses some nice to haves like making the association
>> id allocation per network namespace.  It is not important for
>> correctness of the code but it might allow an information leak between
>> namespaces.
>
> Hmm.. this one might be nice to have not from the perspective of leak,
> but from resource limitation.  Without this, once the id space is
> global is can be exhausted faster.

It takes a lot of associtations to exhaust the id space, but I have no
fundamental problems problems with the id allocation being per
namespace.  I had actually overlooked the local association id when I
did my patches.   After looking it became clear that making the
association id global was not necessary so I left it.

The sctp association id is a strange beast.  My personal inclination is
that the sctp association id really ought to be per sctp socket, but I
have not looked enough at the sctp userspace API to see if that works in
practice.  Shrug.

Mostly I am in favor of simple and correct.

Eric

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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Vlad Yasevich <vyasevich@gmail.com>
Cc: Jan Ariyasu <jan.ariyasu@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	linux-sctp@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jan Ariyasu <jan.ariyasu@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/13] SCTP: Enable netns
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:50:46 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <874noflrzd.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50201928.2030802@gmail.com> (Vlad Yasevich's message of "Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:21:12 -0400")

Vlad Yasevich <vyasevich@gmail.com> writes:


> Hi Eric
>
> Associations are looked up by ports, but then verifyed by addresses.
> Also, associations belong to sockets and simply validating the socket
> namespace should be sufficient.

True.  Your set of patches isn't quite as likely to malfunction as it
looked at first glance.  It requires address reuse which happens accross
namespaces but not too frequently.

As for validating the socket namespace I agree that is the fix and my
patchset winds up doing it.

>> The downside with my version is that it does not make all of the sctp
>> tunables per network namespace the way yours does, but making all of
>> the tunables per network namespace should be straight forward from
>> my base.
>>
>> My patchset also misses some nice to haves like making the association
>> id allocation per network namespace.  It is not important for
>> correctness of the code but it might allow an information leak between
>> namespaces.
>
> Hmm.. this one might be nice to have not from the perspective of leak,
> but from resource limitation.  Without this, once the id space is
> global is can be exhausted faster.

It takes a lot of associtations to exhaust the id space, but I have no
fundamental problems problems with the id allocation being per
namespace.  I had actually overlooked the local association id when I
did my patches.   After looking it became clear that making the
association id global was not necessary so I left it.

The sctp association id is a strange beast.  My personal inclination is
that the sctp association id really ought to be per sctp socket, but I
have not looked enough at the sctp userspace API to see if that works in
practice.  Shrug.

Mostly I am in favor of simple and correct.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-06 19:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-04 21:30 [PATCH 00/13] SCTP: Enable netns Jan Ariyasu
2012-08-04 21:30 ` Jan Ariyasu
2012-08-04 23:57 ` David Miller
2012-08-04 23:57   ` David Miller
2012-08-06 18:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-06 18:20   ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-06 18:38   ` [PATCH net-next 0/9] sctp: Basic support for network namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-06 18:38     ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-06 18:39     ` [PATCH net-next 1/9] sctp: Make the port hash table use struct net in it's key Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-06 18:39       ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-15  3:18       ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-15  3:18         ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-06 18:40     ` [PATCH net-next 2/9] sctp: Make the endpoint hashtable handle multiple network namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-06 18:40       ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-15  3:18       ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-15  3:18         ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-06 18:41     ` [PATCH net-next 3/9] sctp: Make the association " Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-06 18:41       ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-15  3:18       ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-15  3:18         ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-06 18:42     ` [PATCH net-next 4/9] sctp: Make the address lists per network namespace Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-06 18:42       ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-15  3:19       ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-15  3:19         ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-06 18:43     ` [PATCH net-next 5/9] sctp: Make the ctl_sock " Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-06 18:43       ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-15  3:19       ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-15  3:19         ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-06 18:44     ` [PATCH net-next 6/9] sctp: Move the percpu sockets counter out of sctp_proc_init Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-06 18:44       ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-15  3:19       ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-15  3:19         ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-06 18:45     ` [PATCH net-next 7/9] sctp: Make the proc files per network namespace Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-06 18:45       ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-15  3:19       ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-15  3:19         ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-06 18:46     ` [PATCH net-next 8/9] sctp: Enable sctp in all network namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-06 18:46       ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-15  3:20       ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-15  3:20         ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-06 18:47     ` [PATCH net-next 9/9] sctp: Make the mib per network namespace Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-06 18:47       ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-15  3:20       ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-15  3:20         ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-07 17:17     ` [PATCH net-next 0/7] sctp: network namespace support Part 2: per net tunables Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-07 17:17       ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-07 17:23       ` [PATCH net-next 1/7] sctp: Add infrastructure for per net sysctls Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-07 17:23         ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-15  3:20         ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-15  3:20           ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-07 17:25       ` [PATCH net-next 2/7] sctp: Push struct net down to sctp_chunk_event_lookup Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-07 17:25         ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-07 17:26       ` [PATCH net-next 3/7] sctp: Push struct net down into sctp_transport_init Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-07 17:26         ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-07 17:27       ` [PATCH net-next 4/7] sctp: Push struct net down into sctp_in_scope Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-07 17:27         ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-07 17:28       ` [PATCH net-next 5/7] sctp: Push struct net down into all of the state machine functions Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-07 17:29       ` [PATCH net-next 6/7] sctp: Push struct net down into sctp_verify_ext_param Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-07 17:29         ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-07 17:29       ` [PATCH net-next 7/7] sctp: Make sysctl tunables per net Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-07 17:29         ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-09  6:20       ` [PATCH net-next 0/7] sctp: network namespace support Part 2: per net tunables David Miller
2012-08-09  6:20         ` David Miller
2012-08-09 14:07         ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-09 14:07           ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-14 21:14         ` David Miller
2012-08-14 21:14           ` David Miller
2012-08-15  3:16           ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-15  3:16             ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-15  3:21       ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-15  3:21         ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-15  6:10       ` David Miller
2012-08-15  6:10         ` David Miller
2012-08-06 19:21   ` [PATCH 00/13] SCTP: Enable netns Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-06 19:21     ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-06 19:50     ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2012-08-06 19:50       ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-06 20:06       ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-06 20:06         ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-06 20:47       ` David Miller
2012-08-06 20:47         ` David Miller
2012-08-06 21:39         ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-06 21:39           ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-06 23:06           ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-06 23:06             ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-08-15  3:23 ` Vlad Yasevich
2012-08-15  3:23   ` Vlad Yasevich

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