From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Dave Chinner <david-FqsqvQoI3Ljby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Ben Myers <bpm-sJ/iWh9BUns@public.gmane.org>,
linux-fsdevel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
Linux Containers
<containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 10/12] userns: Convert xfs to use kuid/kgid/kprojid where appropriate
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 17:25:43 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87621qpg4o.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130214021908.GJ26694@dastard> (Dave Chinner's message of "Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:19:08 +1100")
Dave Chinner <david-FqsqvQoI3Ljby3iVrkZq2A@public.gmane.org> writes:
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:13:16AM -0800, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
>> The crazy thing is that is that xfs appears to
>> directly write their incore inode structure into their journal.
>
> Off topic, but it's actually a very sane thing to do. It's called
> logical object logging, as opposed to physical logging like ext3/4
> and ocfs2 use. XFS uses a combination of logical logging
> (superblock, dquots, inodes) and physical logging (via buffers).
Not putting your structures in disk-endian before putting them on-disk
seems silly. As far as I can tell if you switch endianness of the
machine accessing your xfs filesystem and have to do a log recover
it won't work because a lot of the log entries will appear corrupted.
It also seems silly to require your in-memory structure to be binary
compatibile with your log when you immediately copy that structure to
another buffer when it comes time to queue a version of it to put into
the log.
The fact that you sometimes need to allocate memory and make a copy so
you can stuff your data into the logvec whose only purpose is to then
copy the data a second time seems silly and wasteful.
Logical logging itself seems reasonable. I just find the implementation
in xfs odd.
It looks like with a few little changes xfs could retain backwards
compatibility with today, remove extra memory copies, and completely
decouple the format of the in-core structures with the format of the
on-disk structures. Allowing scary comments to be removed.
Eric
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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: Alex Elder <elder@kernel.org>,
Linux Containers <containers@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ben Myers <bpm@sgi.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 10/12] userns: Convert xfs to use kuid/kgid/kprojid where appropriate
Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 17:25:43 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87621qpg4o.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130214021908.GJ26694@dastard> (Dave Chinner's message of "Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:19:08 +1100")
Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com> writes:
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:13:16AM -0800, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
>> The crazy thing is that is that xfs appears to
>> directly write their incore inode structure into their journal.
>
> Off topic, but it's actually a very sane thing to do. It's called
> logical object logging, as opposed to physical logging like ext3/4
> and ocfs2 use. XFS uses a combination of logical logging
> (superblock, dquots, inodes) and physical logging (via buffers).
Not putting your structures in disk-endian before putting them on-disk
seems silly. As far as I can tell if you switch endianness of the
machine accessing your xfs filesystem and have to do a log recover
it won't work because a lot of the log entries will appear corrupted.
It also seems silly to require your in-memory structure to be binary
compatibile with your log when you immediately copy that structure to
another buffer when it comes time to queue a version of it to put into
the log.
The fact that you sometimes need to allocate memory and make a copy so
you can stuff your data into the logvec whose only purpose is to then
copy the data a second time seems silly and wasteful.
Logical logging itself seems reasonable. I just find the implementation
in xfs odd.
It looks like with a few little changes xfs could retain backwards
compatibility with today, remove extra memory copies, and completely
decouple the format of the in-core structures with the format of the
on-disk structures. Allowing scary comments to be removed.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-02-18 1:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-11-20 12:42 [PATCH RFC 0/12] Final userns conversions Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:42 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87pq38wimv.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-20 12:43 ` [PATCH RFC 01/12] userns: Support 9p interacting with multiple user namespaces Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <1353415420-5457-1-git-send-email-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-20 12:43 ` [PATCH RFC 02/12] userns: Convert afs to use kuid/kgid where appropriate Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` [PATCH RFC 03/12] userns: Convert ceph " Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <1353415420-5457-3-git-send-email-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-20 16:48 ` Sage Weil
2012-11-20 16:48 ` Sage Weil
[not found] ` <alpine.DEB.2.00.1211200847110.7369-vIokxiIdD2AQNTJnQDzGJqxOck334EZe@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-20 17:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 17:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` [PATCH RFC 04/12] userns: Convert cifs " Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <1353415420-5457-4-git-send-email-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-20 16:56 ` Steve French
[not found] ` <CAH2r5mt91Av7w6GQUPNu2A9EGRNbPGGAhMO=EobOMi5Cn8gh5g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-20 17:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 17:22 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-25 12:47 ` Jeff Layton
2012-11-25 12:47 ` Jeff Layton
2012-11-20 12:43 ` [PATCH RFC 05/12] userns: Convert coda's " Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` [PATCH RFC 06/12] userns: Convert gfs2 " Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-22 9:47 ` [Cluster-devel] " Steven Whitehouse
2012-11-22 9:47 ` Steven Whitehouse
2012-11-22 9:47 ` Steven Whitehouse
2012-11-20 12:43 ` [PATCH RFC 07/12] userns: Convert ncpfs to use kuid and kgid " Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` [PATCH RFC 08/12] userns: Convert nfs and nfsd to use kuid/kgid " Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` [PATCH RFC 09/12] userns: Convert ocfs2 to use kuid and kgid " Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-21 19:51 ` Joel Becker
2013-02-13 17:12 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-02-13 17:12 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <1353415420-5457-9-git-send-email-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-21 19:51 ` Joel Becker
2012-11-21 19:59 ` Joel Becker
2012-11-21 19:59 ` Joel Becker
2013-02-13 17:41 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` [PATCH RFC 10/12] userns: Convert xfs to use kuid/kgid/kprojid " Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <1353415420-5457-10-git-send-email-ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2012-11-20 23:55 ` Dave Chinner
2012-11-20 23:55 ` Dave Chinner
2012-11-21 19:52 ` Joel Becker
2013-02-13 18:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2013-02-13 18:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87obfoxetf.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-14 2:19 ` Dave Chinner
2013-02-14 2:19 ` Dave Chinner
2013-02-18 1:25 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2013-02-18 1:25 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87621qpg4o.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2013-02-19 3:30 ` Dave Chinner
2013-02-19 3:30 ` Dave Chinner
2012-11-21 19:52 ` Joel Becker
2012-11-20 12:43 ` [PATCH RFC 11/12] userns: Now that everything has been converted remove the unnecessary infrastructure Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` [PATCH RFC 12/12] userns: Remove the EXPERMINTAL kconfig tag Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-20 12:43 ` Eric W. Biederman
2012-11-21 0:09 ` [PATCH RFC 0/12] Final userns conversions Dave Chinner
2012-11-21 0:09 ` Dave Chinner
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