All of lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
To: Laurent Vivier <laurent@vivier.eu>,
	Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-arm@nongnu.org,
	assad.hashmi@linaro.org,
	Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd.bergmann@linaro.org>
Subject: Approaches for same-on-same linux-user execve?
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 15:32:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877deoevj8.fsf@linaro.org> (raw)

Hi,

I came across a use-case this week for ARM although this may be also
applicable to architectures where QEMU's emulation is ahead of the
hardware currently widely available - for example if you want to
exercise SVE code on AArch64. When the linux-user architecture is not
the same as the host architecture then binfmt_misc works perfectly fine.

However in the case you are running same-on-same you can't use
binfmt_misc to redirect execution to using QEMU because any attempt to
trap native binaries will cause your userspace to hang as binfmt_misc
will be invoked to run the QEMU binary needed to run your application
and a deadlock ensues.

There are some hacks you can apply at a local level like tweaking the
elf header of the binaries you want to run under emulation and adjusting
the binfmt_mask appropriately. This works but is messy and a faff to
set-up.

An ideal setup would be would be for the kernel to catch a SIGILL from a
failing user space program and then to re-launch the process using QEMU
with the old processes maps and execution state so it could continue.
However I suspect there are enough moving parts to make this very
fragile (e.g. what happens to the results of library feature probing
code). So two approaches I can think of are:

Trap execve in QEMU linux-user
------------------------------

We could add a flag to QEMU so at the point of execve it manually
invokes the new process with QEMU, passing on the flag to persist this
behaviour.


Add path mask to binfmt_misc
----------------------------

The other option would be to extend binfmt_misc to have a path mask so
it only applies it's alternative execution scheme to binaries in a
particular section of the file-system (or maybe some sort of pattern?).

Are there any other approaches you could take? Which do you think has
the most merit?

Thanks,

-- 
Alex Bennée

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
To: Laurent Vivier <laurent@vivier.eu>,
	Richard Henderson <richard.henderson@linaro.org>
Cc: assad.hashmi@linaro.org, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>,
	qemu-arm@nongnu.org, "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd.bergmann@linaro.org>
Subject: Approaches for same-on-same linux-user execve?
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 15:32:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877deoevj8.fsf@linaro.org> (raw)

Hi,

I came across a use-case this week for ARM although this may be also
applicable to architectures where QEMU's emulation is ahead of the
hardware currently widely available - for example if you want to
exercise SVE code on AArch64. When the linux-user architecture is not
the same as the host architecture then binfmt_misc works perfectly fine.

However in the case you are running same-on-same you can't use
binfmt_misc to redirect execution to using QEMU because any attempt to
trap native binaries will cause your userspace to hang as binfmt_misc
will be invoked to run the QEMU binary needed to run your application
and a deadlock ensues.

There are some hacks you can apply at a local level like tweaking the
elf header of the binaries you want to run under emulation and adjusting
the binfmt_mask appropriately. This works but is messy and a faff to
set-up.

An ideal setup would be would be for the kernel to catch a SIGILL from a
failing user space program and then to re-launch the process using QEMU
with the old processes maps and execution state so it could continue.
However I suspect there are enough moving parts to make this very
fragile (e.g. what happens to the results of library feature probing
code). So two approaches I can think of are:

Trap execve in QEMU linux-user
------------------------------

We could add a flag to QEMU so at the point of execve it manually
invokes the new process with QEMU, passing on the flag to persist this
behaviour.


Add path mask to binfmt_misc
----------------------------

The other option would be to extend binfmt_misc to have a path mask so
it only applies it's alternative execution scheme to binaries in a
particular section of the file-system (or maybe some sort of pattern?).

Are there any other approaches you could take? Which do you think has
the most merit?

Thanks,

-- 
Alex Bennée


             reply	other threads:[~2021-10-07 14:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-07 14:32 Alex Bennée [this message]
2021-10-07 14:32 ` Approaches for same-on-same linux-user execve? Alex Bennée
2021-10-07 16:28 ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-10-07 16:28   ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-10-08 10:44   ` Alex Bennée
2021-10-08 10:44     ` Alex Bennée
2021-10-14 13:01     ` Assad Hashmi
2021-10-14 13:01       ` Assad Hashmi
2021-10-07 18:59 ` Laurent Vivier
2021-10-07 18:59   ` Laurent Vivier
2021-10-07 19:13 ` Warner Losh
2021-10-07 19:13   ` Warner Losh
2021-10-08 11:01 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-10-08 11:01   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2021-10-08 11:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-10-08 11:20   ` Arnd Bergmann

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=877deoevj8.fsf@linaro.org \
    --to=alex.bennee@linaro.org \
    --cc=James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com \
    --cc=arnd.bergmann@linaro.org \
    --cc=assad.hashmi@linaro.org \
    --cc=ebiederm@xmission.com \
    --cc=laurent@vivier.eu \
    --cc=qemu-arm@nongnu.org \
    --cc=qemu-devel@nongnu.org \
    --cc=richard.henderson@linaro.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.